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Dan Szymborski

9:24

People are going to frigging hate me as a voter, because I absolutely will game my votes if there are more than 10 I want to be able to vote for.

Nick

9:25

Which is/was most annoying: the Rally Monkey; terrible towels; Baby Shark; or vuvuzelas?

Dan Szymborski

9:25

vuvuzela

David Laurila

9:25

In part because I value longevity at positions high on defensive spectrum, I consider Omar Vizquel a Hall of Famer.

Adam2

9:25

Soto’s takes getting extra spicy!

Hire Joe Morgan?

9:25

Thank you, David Laurila!

Dan Szymborski

9:25

I'm a no on Omar, but again, five more years for me!

kevinthecomic

9:25

Soto doing the spiderman thing again

LFC Mike

9:25

Vuvuzelas ruined an entire World Cup

Jesse

9:25

What about Strasburg vis a vis HOF?

Jay Jaffe

9:26

better odds than Cole

Jesse

9:26

Missed too much time early like Rendon?

Jay Jaffe

9:26

yeah late start

bosoxforlife

9:26

I agree with you David. Great defense over a long period of time. He was second to Ozzie and that si good enough for me.

kevinthecomic

9:26

I had what I thought was an interesting HOF idea -- limit the hall to some finite number of players, say 250 or 300. Once the finite number is reached, the only way for a new player to get voted in is for an old player to get voted out. Would keep the exclusivity of the hall in tact and would, over time, lead to a more statistically defensible population.

Dan Szymborski

9:26

I dunno, voting a player out feels kinda dirty

Jay Jaffe

9:27

yes and it doesn't account for an ever-growing player population

Dan Szymborski

9:28

Rube Marquard is an absolutely ridiculous Hall of Famer, but something just feels dirty about taking a plaque down.

Ace

9:28

Agreed with Dan - voting out feels like efficiency trumping the human part of it (not at all relevant in today's baseball discussion!)

Hire Joe Morgan?

9:28

Greinke, Verlander, Scherzer are certain. Altuve, Soto, Strasburg on the way. Bregman and Correa with plausible plaths. Not impossible somebody else pops. So....six or seven?

Dan Szymborski

9:28

Just don't use the Marquards or McCarthys or Morrises as players you use to justify other inductions!

Jay Jaffe

9:28

I wouldn't say Strasburg is "on the way." age-wise, he's not in as good a shape as Correa or Bregman

Mad Joe-Don

9:28

You want to be the guy to tell an old man that one of the best days of his professional life has just been erased?

Dan Szymborski

9:29

Well, is it Jack Morris?

Ace

9:29

Side note - thoughts on the Epic shitshow that are the Astros PR department? I'm a bonafide stats nerd (spending my Friday night chatting on Fangraphs is a sign), and while I understand Kevin Goldstein can't comment anymore, how can they be... this bad? This isn't even a left wing vs right-wing or anything - its just, don't be a massive dickhead, no?

David Laurila

9:29

The Cabrera numbers against Greinke coming in -- 16 for 37 -- aren't meaningful in many ways, but confidence matters to a hitter, so...

Dan Szymborski

9:29

While I wouldn't vote him "out" of a Hall of Fame out of principle, I'd sure as sugar want to be that guy who tells him!

Jay Jaffe

9:29

epic shitshow is a good term. The institutional arrogance is astounding.

Dan Szymborski

9:30

Though one of Jennifer Frey's relatives might be a better choice.

As bad as Taubman was, Morris's was MUCH worse and NOTHING happened to him.

Roger

9:30

Guys, help me out here: I woke up in 2019, but now Anibal Sanchez and Asdrubal Cabrera are about to determine the outcome of the World Series? What happened? What year is it now?

Dan Szymborski

9:31

Sorry, didn't mean to promote that comment. For those unaware, Frey's story

https://deadspin.com/the-writer-who-was-too-strong-to-live-1785661187

Greg

9:31

Has anyone done a study to determine whether pitchers who rely more on breaking balls tend to age better (the idea being they are less susceptible to velocity loss)?

Lunar verLander

9:31

I'd argue that it isn't institutional arrogance, it's indifference, which is probably worse

Dan Szymborski

9:31

I haven't found anything interesting in this vein.

Eel Ffilc

9:32

Hey David, what do players think about BvP stats? I'd guess they put some weight into them.

Hire Joe Morgan?

9:32

I want the Hall to be big. I want to remember the best players. I want to remember the players people thought were good at the time, even if they're anacrhonisms. I want to remember players who captured people's imaginations, even if they weren't the best. Put 'em all in!

kevinthecomic

9:32

OK, OK, if you get voted out of the HOF, you get to take your bust home

Alfredo

9:32

Oh, that deleted message was entirely a GoT pun btw

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