JotCast | Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 5/18/20

Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 5/18/20

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Ben Clemens

3:23

IP/start isn't really right b/c it matters how durable you are relative to other pitchers of your era

3:24

But also, it's entirely possible to say something like "Kershaw was more dominant per inning pitched than everyone from the 1920's, but starters just earned more WAR then"

Marshall

3:25

Sorry, I meant league-wide IP/start (or maybe average IP for top 30 starters, or something). Related to that, how would you rank Kershaw in an all-time context? He's still the career leader in ERA+ by a decent margin.

Ben Clemens

3:25

Yeah, this is the question

Is a pitcher with a 120 ERA+ who throws 8 innings a game (when every starter does) more valuable than a 140 ERA+ going 6?

when everyone goes 6?

3:26

I think that's one of the great things about baseball. There's not an easy comparison there even though the game is the same

I guess it's similar to trying to come up with football comps across eras

With the game changing so much

Would Steph Curry be able to score 15 points a game in the 80s nba?

I assume so

3:27

Whoops that should say 90s

But that's just part of the charm of sports.

See! You! Later!

3:27

How can the owners claim that the amount of money they won't be able to make now is higher than what they claim they make normally?

Ben Clemens

3:27

Haha I don't know, man. Because people are willing to print it, I guess?

Mike

3:28

Realistically, how long do the players/owners have to get something agreed and still provide enough spring training to kick off the season in early July?

Ben Clemens

3:28

Three weeks or so?

But they could, in theory, start spring training without the final details nailed down

Just, an agreement in principle with wiggle room on both sides

3:29

It doesn't seem phenomenally likely, I know, but I'd say both sides are pretty motivated for there to be baseball

Burns’ Suit... Brighter

3:29

You seem to be missing golden opportunities for peak Simpsons references on future Corbin Burnes updates. Boo-urns!

Ben Clemens

3:29

I don't know how I could have gone pun-heavier on today's headline

But yeah, I'm sad he's gone for the year in OOTP

3:30

I also just really like referencing corbin burnes

He's a pitcher I was notably wrong about last year:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/corbin-burnes-spins-to-win/

And learning about why I was wrong taught me some things about baseball I didn't know before.

3:31

Namely, the cutter/fastball spin efficiency axis that can jam people up

And how wildly Burnes' spin numbers varied from game to game

Or rather, his effective spin numbers

Jeff

3:32

In these totallydefinitely uncertain times for them will the owners allow something cool to happen, specifically the Tigers having Torkelson jump straigt to the majors? I imagine the time is ripe, would look great for both them and their fellow lizards who run the NCAA

Ben Clemens

3:32

That would be pretty awesome, but I don't see it happening

As I understand the service time rules, your time this year gets pro-rated

3:33

So getting a few games in a busted year and paying a year of time for it just doesn' feel like somethin a team would be willing to do

Mike

3:33

I guess as long as the players arrive with more advanced conditioning than they would in February, then 3 weeks makes sense. But pitchers normally get, what, 6 weeks or so from start of spring training to the start of games?

Ben Clemens

3:33

Yeah, but as Greinke noted, pitchers don't actually need all that time, at least not all of them

And they'll also be in advanced conditioning

3:34

It wouldn't shock me if guys are throwing shorter stints to start out but I think three weeks is workable. Having a 30 man roster helps out as well of course.

Hummingbird nipples

3:35

Speaking of Corbins...Does Corbin Martin ever become an effective starter? And if so when?

Ben Clemens

3:35

The odds are probably against him, just b/c he's already blown out his arm.

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