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Ghost of Wade Boggs

3:12

Nolan Ryan probably deserves some contention in the Cy Youngless leaderboards (unless he's already been mentioned and I missed it)

Ben Clemens

3:12

oh, it's just active players

Ghost of Wade Boggs

3:13

I'll see myself out then

Ben Clemens

3:13

But he'd obviously be very high on the list if we were doing all players

him and a bunch of guys who pitched before the award existed

Cy Young is probably the best pitcher to never win a Cy Young award

bosoxforlife

3:13

Sadly Sale is turning into what Wainwright has become. It is not fun watching the greats go out this way.

Ben Clemens

3:13

I'm especially bummed about Waino because last year was so great

3:14

shocking revival, playoff team with fun retiring veterans

The 2022 Cards season was one of my favorites

Seeing the Pujols renaissance was amazilng

Dave

3:14

Do you think MLB will introduce any new rules this offseason to discourage doing what the Angels did by dumping so many players via waivers?

Ben Clemens

3:15

hmmmmm

No, not really

for all the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth, like, so what?

3:16

are we upset that the Reds got two rotation outfielders?

or that the Guardians got 10 IP and 13 ER out of Lucas Giolito so far?

3:17

Giolito even lost to the Angels, woof

people acted like this was the end of baseball legitimacy

and like, c'mon

Ghost of Wade Boggs

3:17

Ok, on the opposite end of the spectrum, who would you say are the worst pitchers to have won a Cy Young?

Ben Clemens

3:17

Rick Porcello, haha

3:18

I'm sure there are some from before my time

I see that a reliever named Mark Davis won the NL Cy Young in 1989, that was presumably not a great decision

yeah okay I think the answer might be Mark Davis

3:19

he's a reliever with a career 4.17 ERA

ooh, maybe LaMarr Hoyt?

there were some really bad cy young winners

3:20

LaMarr Hoyt won with a 3.53 ERA, so I'm not even sure what the joke was here

Jack Morris had a lower ERA and pitched more innings, and even cracked the 20 win plateau

3.66 ERA, my apologies

for Hoyt

Zach

3:21

Steve Bedrosian, reliever who won in 1987

Ben Clemens

3:21

Yeah, another option

Farhandrew Zaidman

3:21

Booting the A's out of Vegas (and reportedly letting them keep the name) to immediately declare what a great Expansion site Oakland is.... what are we doing here?

Ben Clemens

3:21

Yeah....

look, this stuff has not gone over well

It's gone over especially poorly in the bay

Farhandrew Zaidman

3:21

Speaking of not passing the smell test, apparently Forbes got its hands on the A's financials and confirmed the whole "losing $40 mil per year" thing.

Ben Clemens

3:21

I'm very interested to get my hands on these reports

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