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Dave Cameron
12:42
So you don't care if they took amphetamines but you do care if they took stanozolol? Why?
Pud Galvin
12:42
Hoffman, Smith & Wagner are #3, 5 & 6 (respectively) all-time in RP WAR. If DH is considered a position, why does it seem that RP's are treated as though RP isn't a position? Hoffman, Smith & Wagner were in the top-6 all time for what their job was. Why don't any of them merit HOF votes in your opinion?
Dave Cameron
12:43
The bar for RP has to be extraordinarily high because it's a population of players selected based on their inability to start. As long as we're not putting elite starters like Mussina and Schilling in, we have no business even thinking about voting for any RP.
Ed
12:45
Tell Bork that our local hospital has a three hour training class especially for new dads. They had other dads bring in their own infants to share some of their tips. It was tremendously helpful and is worth looking into in his town.
Dave Cameron
12:45
That sounds neat.
Kolbe
12:45
How long does a player have to retire before he can play again? For example could the Yankees have offered Holliday say 5 years 20 million with 17 million in the first year, effectively lowering their cost considering the luxury tax and netting more money for Holliday. He "retires" after this year, could he then sign with someone else in the same off season?
Dave Cameron
12:46
Retiring doesn't make your contract go away. If you unretire, you're still subject to your contract.
Buff
12:47
When will the Eric Longenhagen piece on the Reds' prospects be up? How long does an edit usually take?
Dave Cameron
12:47
I think it's going to run tomorrow or Friday.
Joe
12:47
Are there really a lot of "big hall" saber guys? Even if you take the most extreme "small hall" stance, there are at least half a dozen players on the ballot right now who are clearly deserving. If writers could vote for as many players as they wanted, I'd consider a 10 player ballot to be a "small hall" vote right now.
Dave Cameron
12:48
Right; the "small hall" group is the one that is wanting to change the historical norm for election, not the "big hall" group.
If you're a "small hall" guy, then you need to be in favor of kicking out about 60% of the currently inducted.
RMR
12:49
Is there a reason there doesn't seem to be more interest in Nate Jones given the run on relievers and his sweet succulent contract? I'm very confused by this.
Dave Cameron
12:49
White Sox might want to make him a "proven closer" first.
BK
12:50
Closer is a "position" too? Why the different thoughts on putting a DH in but not a closer?
Dave Cameron
12:50
DHs accrue about 80-90% of the value of regular position players. RPs accrue about 20-30% of the value of starting pitchers.
12:51
If DHs hit once per game, I wouldn't vote for any of them either.
John
12:51
Dave, I am with you re HOF, but I think the other side would say that letting amphetamine users in was a mistake that shouldn't be repeated just for the sake of consistency
Dave Cameron
12:52
Until we're kicking them all out, then it's not an argument that holds any water.
Richie
12:53
No, a "small hall" guy can accept that the Hall is too big, so while kicking people out just can't and shouldn't be done, don't continue to exacerbate things.
Dave Cameron
12:53
There is zero reason to hold current players to a different standard than every generation that came before.
Nate
12:53
DH is based on a population of players selected for their inability to play the field. Why the double standard?
Dave Cameron
12:54
The bar for offensive value for a DH to get enshrined also has to be extraordinarily high, since they don't provide any fielding value. But a DH can accrue way more offensive value than an RP can accrue in pitching value.
Professor Ross Eforp
12:55
Can we move on from the HOF discussion and talk about actual baseball? This is as informative as Fantasy talk.
Dave Cameron
12:55
You're really missing out on that in depth Rajai Davis signing talk?
Rajai Davis
12:57
I'm important, dammit!!!
HugoZ
12:57
How would you determine which players to "kick out" of the HoF based on amphetamine use?
Dave Cameron
12:57
Basically every player in the 1970s used, so if you played in those years, you're assumed guilty. It's the same logic being applied to guys who played in the 1990s now.
Prich
12:57
Is this why you, Jeff and everyone else who does these chats all say January is by far the worst baseball month?
Dave Cameron
12:58
February isn't much better.
Ben
12:58
Based on current personnel and trajectory, which is the last franchise to return to relevance: Reds, Padres, D-Backs, or Twins?
Dave Cameron
12:58
The Padres are so far away. So far.
12:59
Okay, my kid is having a meltdown, the dog is freaking out, and I can't leave the house because we got a foot of snow overnight. Seems like a good time to stop chatting.
1:00
We'll be back next week!
Thanks for hanging out, everyone.
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