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Dave Cameron
12:57
Maybe I'll chat from my local blockbuster next week...
Matt
12:57
Mike Petriello share a tweet suggesting that maybe Ellsbury + prospects for Shark should happen, could help both clubs. What are your thoughts on this?
Dave Cameron
12:58
Those would have to be some good prospects.
Sasha
12:58
Jeff mentioned the other week that Quintana would have slightly better value than DeGrom (same amt of control but with team options). I understand the value of that contract, but I really don't see why Q could have more value. DeGrom is a bonafide ace (top 5-7) who can take over games whereas Q has been a consistent top 20ish guy. For playoff teams, the former has to be much more valuable
Dave Cameron
12:58
deGrom is not a top 5-7 pitcher in MLB.
Sorry.
Go Dodgers
12:59
Buehler, Verdugo and Calhoun for DeGrom- Mets can't turn that down can they?
Dave Cameron
12:59
And Dodgers aren't dumb enough to offer that.
Joey
12:59
Quick correction Dave: Upton has 4/88 left not 5/110. Does that change whether you think he opts out?
Dave Cameron
1:00
Hmm, maybe. That makes it close to market value.
Wouldn't be that shocking if he opted out of that and tried to get a fifth year again.
Raindog
1:00
I get that Detroit needs a rebuild, but I don't understand how paying someone to take Verlander helps that.  Does the ~$50M they save really help them invest in prospects?  Is whatever B-grade prospect they get a serious benefit?  Why not keep the franchise icon for the sake of the fans, while still selling players whose prospect return will actually help the franchise
Dave Cameron
1:01
Do fans want to watch Justin Verlander become awful on a losing team? Did Phillies fans really enjoy having Ryan Howard at the end?
Yes, you can buy a lot of new talent with $50 million.
Erik
1:01
Neshek, Nava, and Kendrick are all playing well enough to flip for at least something, right? Do the Phillies get enough from those three to make this a "successful" season in some weird definition of that word?
Dave Cameron
1:01
Neshek will get you something. The others, no.
Peter
1:03
I'm not saying this would ever happen, but if Otani and Darvish were actually best friends, with the same agent (not sure if this is true), and the agent leaked that Otani is going where ever Darvish goes this summer (in this hypothetical Otani gives up his own massive contract to come a year early), wouldn't it be financially prudent for a team to spend ~$500 million on Darvish to get both? Would the CBA allow this or is there a rule against young/restricted players packaging with free agents.
Dave Cameron
1:03
If it was obvious that this was happening, MLB would stop it.
The Red Sox got punished for this kind of packaging of international free agents.
Cash Considerations
1:05
Who's the most likely player to get traded in August?
Dave Cameron
1:06
Some expensive back-end starter. Maybe Liriano?
Erik
1:06
Have you seen the Brewers do anything that makes you think, "Oh, August definitely would have been pushing for that one"?
Dave Cameron
1:06
DId they do do a man-bun bobblehead yet?
Brett
1:07
Dave... Quintana was able to fetch a top 5 prospect.  I'll grant you that he's been more consistent over the past 3 years, but Gray is pitching better than him this season.  You're suggesting the A's won't get a top 50 prospects for Gray.  That's nuts.
Dave Cameron
1:07
Contracts aren't the same, Quintana wasn't hurt last year.
1:08
And Eloy isn't really a top 5 prospect. He's just being ranked that way.
Erik
1:09
If there ever were a player for whom the defensive metrics didn't match up with reality in any consistent manner, what would the characteristics of that player be?
Dave Cameron
1:10
Probably a weird-bodied middle infielder who was really good at positioning? Jhonny Peralta, basically.
Pablo Devers
1:12
Eloy isn't a top 5 prospect, he's just ranked that way? Does that make any sense to you Dave?
Dave Cameron
1:12
His skillset is overvalued by those who do public prospect rankings relative to what MLB teams are valuing these days.
Sleepy
1:13
"You're not getting Torres for Sonny Gray."  I mean, the Yanks got Torres for, like, 25-ish innings of Aroldis Chapman.  That's more valuable than 2.5 years of Sonny Gray?
Dave Cameron
1:13
The Cubs wildly overpaid for Chapman. No one is recreating that deal.
1:15
Okay, have to wrap this up for today.
I'll probably chat on Monday, assuming the moves don't all get held up until the last minute and force me to just write the whole day.
Enjoy deadline week!
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