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Energy & Income Advisor Live Chat August 2019
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AvatarRoger Conrad
2:02
Hello everyone and welcome to the August monthly EIA chat. Remember there is no audio for this chat. Instead type in your questions and Elliott and I will answer them as soon as we can. We will keep going so long as there are unanswered questions in the queue as well as emails we receive prior to the chat. And there will be a complete transcript of all Q&A shortly after we close the chat.
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Let's start with a couple of question from the emails:
2:03
Q. Are you still comfortable with Oasis Midstream Partners (NYSE: OMP)?—Bud E.

A. As we noted earlier this month, Oasis’ second quarter numbers were right in line with its long-standing guidance, which management affirmed again during the August 7 earnings call. Distribution coverage was robust at 1.7 times and would have been 1.9 times were it not for operational downtime at a key gas processing complex that’s since been resolved.

Management again stated the partnership is “on track to deliver our targeted 20 percent annual growth in distributions per unit while simultaneously increasing coverage in coming quarters.” And it affirmed it’s “ahead of schedule on most infrastructure projects” to support future cash flow growth.
Rather, the drop in share price this month is due to the combination of a severe selloff in MLPs across the board and growing concerns its general partner and largest customer Oasis Petroleum (NYSE: OAS) will be unable to follow through on its production plans. These have intensified following a 1 percent cut in the mid-point of full-year production guidance and especially a 14.5 percent lift in the mid-point of expected 2019 capital spending.

The numbers in and of themselves are hardly a disaster. And the company still expects to be able to generate $75 to $120 million of free cash flow for debt reduction this year, at an average price of $50 to $60 per barrel. But coupled with concerns about the direction of oil prices, the news was enough to trigger selling in Oasis Petroleum and therefore Oasis Midstream Partners, which hit a new all-time low this week.
We’re comfortable sticking with this name for several reasons. First, at the current level, the bar of expectations is extremely low for the Oasis family. In the case of Partners, it’s already reflecting a steep distribution cut, though just three weeks ago there was a 5 percent sequential increase. Even a little good news could trigger a big boost. Second, it would take a huge hit in Partners’ cash flow to meaningfully dent distribution coverage, and nothing has happened yet to justify that expectation.

Finally, both Oasis Midstream and Oasis Petroleum are seeing meaningful insider buying. Bottom line we’re not happy about the price action but we don’t see a good reason to jump ship, especially at this price.
2:04
Q. Can you share your view of Suburban Propane Partners (NYSE: SPH) post its fiscal third quarter earnings release—Gary J.

A. As a distributor of propane primarily used for heating, Suburban garners the vast majority of its cash flow in its fiscal first (end December 31) and second quarters (end March 31). By contrast, results from the warmer months of the year are always expected to be seasonally weak and therefore much less important.

Suburban did record a fiscal Q3 loss that was a good deal wider than a year ago. And EBITDA excluding non-recurring items was also lower at $20.1 million, versus $30.5 million a year ago. The shortfall was primarily due to an -8.3 percent drop in retail propane gallons sold, due to average temperatures that were 17 percent warmer than normal and 33 percent warmer than during the year ago quarter.
Third quarter EBITDA, however, was just 7.5 percent of Suburban’s total for the first nine months of the fiscal year. And on a trailing 12 months basis, Suburban’s distributable cash flow covered its distribution by 1.25 times. That was enough coverage to self-fund the company’s growth capital spending and to reduce total debt by $16 million. Consolidated leverage is down to 4.41 times EBITDA.

Since late July, Suburban’s unit price came down from a high of close to $25 and has since traded in a range between $22 and $23 per unit. Our view is that has a lot more to do with the selloff in MLPs in general than what was basically a “no news is good news” earnings report. We continue to expect a takeover offer for what’s now the largest independent propane distributor in the US sometime in the next 9 to 12 months. In the meantime, the yield is north of 10 percent and safe.
Q. Enviva Partners (NYSE: EVA) has a great record and an excellent future. However, they are paying maximum IDRs. Can that continue or will they be forced to merge with the GP and leave unit holders with a dividend cut?--Ken V.

A. We certainly don’t see paying maximum incentive distribution rights as a positive, as it all else equal it increases cost of capital. But neither is it a reason in and of itself for a roll-up merger accompanied by a distribution cut.

In any case, this is not a risk for Enviva. Mainly, the general partners are private capital concerns Riverstone Holdings at 40.61 percent and Carlyle Group at 33.34 percent. The pair have in the past taken private companies they’ve held large pieces of, power producer Talen Energy being one example. The Talen deal, however, was at a big premium to the pre-deal price range. Also, as financial investors, Riverstone/Carlyle have also been known to sell stakes in MLPs where they’ve held big stakes. USA Compression Partners (NYSE: USAC) is a good example
We’d like to see this pair cut Enviva’s IDR structure. But the far more important factor for returns is going to be this MLP’s ability to sell its wood pellets to overseas markets primarily and thereby pull up what was a low coverage ratio in Q2, per management’s current guidance. And that actually looks promising at this time. We continue to cover Enviva in our MLPs and Midstream coverage universe.
Eric
2:06
Are you still positive on OXY?  I've read this article that talks about the billionaires (Icahn, Buffett, Munger) and their investment in OXY.  We assume they know more than the average investor.  Do you see this as a good buy signal too?

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4279376-occidental-munger-icahn-make-...
AvatarElliott Gue
2:07
Yes, we're still positive on OXY. I think management has actually low-balled some of their estimates post merger with APC and will be able to beat those estimates. We see the 7%+ dividend as sustainable and, while the debt is inflated post-merger, management is already addressing that via asset sales completed before the APC acquisition was even finalized. If they can execute, which I believe they can, OXY is one of the most undervalued stocks in the E&P space. As we've written, we do see Icahn/Buffett involvement as an incremental positive though Buffett owns preferred shares and Icahn was opposed to the APC acquisition.
Alan R.
2:12
Economic indicators around the globe are getting weaker.  Oil stocks have gotten slaughtered on these concerns (CVX, OXY, RDS.A, etc).  Other than a war in the Persian Gulf (chances of that seem to be increasing), what is the bull case for oil given this back drop?  Thanks.
AvatarElliott Gue
2:12
I guess I'd consider myself a modest oil bull. I'm not looking for $80 or $100/bbl but I do think current prices are sustainable and we'll see some modest upside. In my mind, the case isn't based on geopolitics but supply and demand. Oil demand has actually been holding up reasonably well despite the macro slowdown and, on the supply side, I believe the market underappreciates two points: 1. The potential slowdown in US oil production growth and 2. OPEC's willingness to cut aggressively to support prices in a situation where shale producers are not likely to respond to higher prices. This is a big shift from 2014/15.
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:14
Q. I just saw you added Western Midstream Partners (NYSE: WES) to the High Yield Portfolio. Do they still have assets in Colorado, and, if so, are you no longer concerned with the political climate there? Thanks, as always.—Michael L.

A. They still have a large presence in the D.J. Basin. We’ve actually been encouraged by recent developments in Colorado, especially as regards where Western has assets. The company also reported the second quarter earnings call that they were able to retain 100 percent of minimum volume commitments in a recent third party negotiation of contracts there.

As we mentioned in the most recent EIA issue, the real issue for Western shares is what Occidental decides to do with its ownership interest and afterward the business relationship. We believe the current price of this MLP assumes the worst on both counts and significantly undervalues its assets, particularly in the Delaware Basin (Permian) in West Texas. We also believe shares are under pressure as part of the broader MLP
universe, which continues to suffer from concerns producers will radically cut back their output. In the meantime, though, we see a well-covered 11 percent plus yield that management has the wherewithal to grow 5 percent a year.
John A.
2:22
Any advice on AMLP instead of individual MLP positions? Thank you.
AvatarElliott Gue
2:22
We've tended to recommend the MLP ETFS -- including AMLP and AMJ -- more as trading vehicles than long-term investment vehicles. When you buy these ETFs you're basically buying the 5 largest MLPs which account for about 50% or more of the ETF's assets. I think a lot of people see the ETF bas a way to buy a diversified basket of MLPs but that's not actually the case -- these MLPs are super-concentrated in a handful of names.  We like some of these larger holdings more than others and think you can do better over the long run simply buying a selection of the better MLPs. I do think, as we discussed in the most recent issue, the closed-end MLP funds like KYN are an interesting alternative to the ETFs right now because they're trading at large discounts to net asset value; effectively this means that you're buying the MLPs owned by the ETF at a nice discount to their current trading price. Buying $1 of a broad basket of MLPs for $0.90 seems like a good deal to us.
Frank
2:26
Thoughts on CGIFF    and  TGE   Thanx
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:26
Chemtrade announced Q2 results earlier this month that were pretty solid, including a big increase in cash flow. The water solutions business is renewing contracts at rates high enough to pass through costs and the chemicals business has apparently adapted to challenging circumstances. Distributable cash flow coverage was roughly 1.5 times. I don't see a lot of upside catalysts here but the yield of 11.5% looks secure and is the same rate paid since Feb 2007--when management said it was a rate they were comfortable with no matter what cyclical pressures hit the business.
Howard F
2:26
Would you be a buyer of CXO and CLR at these prices
AvatarElliott Gue
2:26
CXO is one of our favorite E&P stocks right now. As we pointed out in an issue earlier this month, the stock got pummeled when one of their well density tests failed (parent-child well interference issues) however that's not likely to have a major negative impact on their ability to meet free cash flow targets over the intermediate term, which is the key to the stock's valuation. We're generally positive on CLR as well though it's not a recommendation in our Model portfolio at this time -- since the founder Harold Hamm owns around three-quarters of the stock, CLR might be in a position to take itself private in coming years based on current cash flow targets unless the stock sees a significant rally from current levels.
Eric
2:30
Is it time to start buying the natural gas producers, such as AR, which seem to have dropped so much?
AvatarElliott Gue
2:30
We prefer oil leverage on the producer side. US natural gas prices are likely to remain rangebound at low levels over the long haul because the US has so much cheap-to-produce gas supply. In fact, that's one reason we also have been negative on names like Apache (APA), which has significant growth potential but a lot of that growth is coming from its Alpine High play in the Permian that's primarily a gas play.
AvatarElliott Gue
2:30
You might see some weather-related gas price spikes in autumn/winter but that's unlikely to be sustainmablre.
Howard F
2:32
Considering CLR might go private what would you do now if you own it
AvatarElliott Gue
2:32
Well, if CLR were to go private that would likely be a positive for public shareholders who would get bought out at a premium. That said, this is not a short term prediction, it's just that if the stock remains as cheap as it is today and produces free cash flow as expected over the next few years, Mr. Hamm could probably do a deal to take the company private at a favorable price.
Barry
2:35
Thanks for all the great work you do.  It appears you have lowered your rating on SLB.  Are they a long term story now?
AvatarElliott Gue
2:35
We lowered the buy under price to reflect market conditions. However, SLB remains one of our top picks in the services space given its unique combination of: 1. Technology leadership, which I believe will be the key to future well productivity gains and 2. International exposure, where spending is in the early stages of what's likely to be a multi-year upturn.
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:36
Finishing Frank's question on Tallgrass Energy LP, this is more or less the same story we've seen for almost every other mid-sized MLP. They reported a solid Q2 with 1.35X coverage, upper single digit distribution growth, lower leverage and success in new project development, yet here it is selling at a new all time low as investors abandon MLPs again. One unique concern is the delay getting FERC approval for the Cheyenne Connector, which has now delayed the project to Q1 2020 at best. But there really seems to be enough going rights at Tallgrass to drive growth while they wait.
Eric
2:44
I know you dont see growth for CPLP in the near future, but do yo usee the dividend at risk?  Im down on my investment, but willing to hold it for the good return im still receiving, thanks
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:44
Eric, we think they've reset the dividend low enough this year to withstand quite a bit of adversity in the dry bulk market the next few years with a 1.5X coverage ratio and 91% contracted fleet for 2020. Management also makes a convincing case for a stronger shipping market in 2020, so it's possible we're overly pessimistic with our view of long-term oversupply. In any case, we'll continue to cover CPLP  as a hold for the time being.
Howard F
2:47
Do you follow  ECA
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:47
Yes in our International Coverage Universe. In fact, for the first time in many years we're actually somewhat bullish on the company as a buy up to 5, in large part due to low price but also following management's multi-year efforts to streamline. There's still some work to do on leverage but we do note insider buying this month, especially following solid Q2 results.
Mr. G.
2:52
At the followings highly reduced prices, Sell, Hold or Add More?

ATGFF
AM
ENBL
ENLC
EQM
MPLX
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:52
Altagas is a buy up to 15--de-levering and streamlining plans on track. Antero Midstream (buy up to 14), Enable (17), EnLink (10) and MPLX (37) are on our High Yield Energy List. EQM is a sell on risk of distribution cut as largest customer EQT tried to rework contracts. We do not advise doubling down on any single stock.
Nolan
2:56
I bought Atmos Energy back in May of '09 on your suggestion/recommendation for a dividend reinvestment stock @ $25.68, it is now about $108.00 ( thank you very much). I haven't heard you speak or write about it for years, your thoughts.
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:56
Nicely done Nolan. Atmos has consistently performed well as a gas distribution utility with well placed regulated midstream assets, consistently growing dividends at an upper single digit annual rate without taking on operating risk and debt. My problem with the stock and the reason I haven't written much about it lately is purely its very high valuation--and it remains a concern at nearly 24X expected 2019 earnings and a yield of less than 2%. My view is that high price will restrict further upside and that it might be wise for heavy owners to take some money off the table.
AvatarRoger Conrad
2:59
The reason for that is I could see Atmos coming back as low as 80 the next time money really comes out of utilities. It would recover but that's basically the risk investors are taking by staying with it at this price.
Kathy M.
3:03
Hey there,

I wanted to see if you had any thoughts on  Enbridge Inc. (ENB).  Do you feel it is prudent to wait out the current pipeline holdups or take profits and deploy elsewhere?

Also, do you follow Flowserve Corp. (FLS) ?  If so what are your thoughts on them?

Thank you for all your sound and helpful advice.
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