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Jeff Zimmerman

9:21

Keep and play for now. They're competitive and he could put together a 4 WAR season. Their trade return is likely to be nothing.

Paul Swydan

9:22

It's an interesting question. Even without Braun, they have four potential starting outfielders in Brinson, Broxton, Phillips and Santana. But I have questions about all of them except Santana, who I love. So it's a tricky proposition for the Brewers, if they're trying to contend this season. I don't think that they can just trade him to clear the salary or roster spot - they'd need to get back a 2018 asset.

Miami Trade

9:22

Could Schwarber be a trade chip for cubs? What About Hector Rondon's Option?

Paul Swydan

9:22

Maybe, but Schwarber would've been a bigger trade chip last offseason. The Cubs missed their chance to cash in.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:23

Schwarber could be moved but his value is down. I'm not sure Rondon has much value.

Show Hey O’Tawny

9:24

I got into baseball in 2013, so I just barely missed out on elite Doc, but throughout my childhood I knew he was the only Blue Jay worth a damn, and I’d probably never get to see a better pitcher wearing that jersey. This sucks. RIP Roy Halladay

Miami Trade

9:24

Halladay was great- he should be hall of famer with 8x AllStar

Stevil

9:24

Is there any real doubt over whether or not Halladay will get into the HOF? Even before this tragedy, I would have guessed there isn't any.

Paul Swydan

9:25

Unfortunately, I think that there is. He has the perfect game and no-hitter, but he wasn't quite as valuable in the regular season as Mussina was, and Mussina is having a hell of a time getting in.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:25

True

9:25

Thoughts on Gold Gloves?Arenado just won his 5th straight while 6 behind rendon in UZR.

Paul Swydan

9:26

I looked at those Rendon defensive stats a month or so ago. I forget exactly why they seemed fishy to me, but they seemed fishy to me. Jeff might remember more than me.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:27

Basically, the UZR value is the only number which favors Rendon. Every other defensive stat favors Arenado

Catchers

9:27

Is Doc a hall of famer? Not doubting his incredible impact on others, 64 career WAR, but JAWS says just short

Paul Swydan

9:28

Yes, absolutely.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:28

He is IMO, but like Paul said early, it's getting for pitchers to get in.

Paul Swydan

9:28

By Hall of Stats, he's clearly over the line. http://www.hallofstats.com/player/hallaro01

Rob

9:29

My first memory of Roy Halladay was his second career start, against the Tigers, in the Jays last game of the 1998 season. The game was televised nationally in Canada on CBC, which is how I got to watch it. He pitched a no-hitter into the 9th inning; the only reason it wasn't perfect was because of an error in the 5th inning that allowed a runner to get on base. The Tigers pinch-hit for the last batter of the game, and Higginson hit a home run into the Jays bullpen. Dave Stieb, of all people, caught the ball--the guy who had many no-hitters broken up in the 9th inning; that was the last game of his career (though he didn't pitch, as Halladay completed the game). I've been a Halladay fan ever since.

Paul Swydan

9:29

Very cool, Rob thanks for sharing.

Oh-hey-oh-hey-hey

9:30

As a Sox fan, I am worried that Dombrowski will do something stupid this offseason, like shelling out $150 million for Eric Hosmer or selling whatever's left of the farm for Stanton. I'm trying to assuage my fears

Paul Swydan

9:31

The thing you should be far more afraid of is Dombrowski trading Bradley, Devers, and seven prospects for Stanton. Hosmer would be a monetary mistake, but trading for Stanton would have far more long-term ramifications.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:32

I'd bet he's going all in and do both

Paul Swydan

9:32

Yey!

A Tigers Fan

9:32

While we are debating whether or not Halladay is Hall-worthy, it's worth noting that Lou Whitaker's exclusion from the Hall is inexcusable. 74.9 career WAR!

Paul Swydan

9:32

For sure. He'll get in someday, but he already deserves to be there.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:33

It's total BS. Those mid-80's Tigers must have really pissed some people off

stever20

9:33

what did you guys think of the awards finalists? Were you surprised neither of the Rockies made the top 3 in the NL MVP voting?

Paul Swydan

9:34

No, not really. The top of the NL MVP race was a total toss up, and when the Rockies slid behind the Dbacks in the Wild Card race, they sort of bequeathed their spot to Goldschmidt, who has been excellent for longer than Arenado and Blackmon have been.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:34

No, I find it's tough for a team with two close guys to get the needed vote. Also, there is a bias against Rockies for awards and HOF

hscer

9:34

Szymborski was pessimistic about Halladay's HOF chances when we were discussing them on Twitter *last* night...

Paul Swydan

9:35

Yeah, I'm pessimistic about his chances, but I think he deserves to be there. Sadly, his death may swing some votes in his favor, which makes me feel very uncomfortable.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:35

Voters have no had a good track record with pitchers.

Blueyays

9:35

Bullpenning is definitely the right strategy, but I do miss complete games because following a starter's progress through his start is so much fun. And that's partially because I grew up getting to watch Halladay do things like throw 266 innings in a year, throw 9 complete games in multiple different seasons, throw a 10-inning shutout, throw complete games that lasted under two hours. And the whole time, getting to look forward to his start every fifth game, and be so sure that we'd win, was a fantastically comforting feeling.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:37

Agree. Those were the good old days but times change

Paul Swydan

9:37

It's the right strategy in a world where every pitcher wants to max out on their effort on every pitch. But I don't know that that's the right strategy overall. And I think watching those complete games is evidence of that.

Catchers

9:38

I enjoy FG comments almost as much as the articles. Is that weird?

Paul Swydan

9:38

No, I enjoy them very much as well. It's one of the few sites where I look forward to reading the comments.

Jeff Zimmerman

9:39

No.

Stevil

9:39

What do you think of Jerry Dipoto's potential "wolfpack" strategy? Cameron suggested something quite similar as a possible solution for the Marlins after the tragic loss of Fernandez. Could this become a trend across baseball, given the lack of supply and the strong demand for pitching?

Paul Swydan

9:40

Dipoto: "We are adjusting toward what the world looks like now for starting pitchers, which is a 15-to-18-out starter (rather) than the complete-game starter."

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