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Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World
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8:02
Doyle asks Shehadeh about the depressing global situation regarding human rights and international law, "How do you see that we can actually make sure that these will matter in this conflict and not get ignored as they continually appear to be?"
8:08
Shehadeh responds, "I think the most hopeful possibility is with the International Criminal Court and the work is being done. Of course, US is trying to stop the members of the court from proceeding with its work."
8:09
But, he expresses hope, "If courts succeed, it will be a great deterrence to Israel. Torture and killings of people with drones are practised by US without objection. So it is important that civil society should put pressure on the government to impose sanctions on Israel. And there's a change in people's perception about Israel. So hopefully they'll influence their governments."
Time for Q&A
8:13
Rohan asks Shehadeh, "In your most recent book Going Home, A Walk Through 50 Years of Occupation, you describe your journey through Ramallah and the change that the conflict has brought. What do you think is the meaning of home? How does one identify home? Do you believe a home can ever be destroyed?"
8:15
8:17
Shehadeh responds, "I think, ultimately, one carries home with oneself." He talks of one's journey to arrive at a certain peace with oneself, to face and deal with one's past and disappointments, without being defeated and to be able to feel at one with oneself.

"So I think, home is something that can be carried with you wherever you are, and that sometimes you can be at a physical home and not feel at home," concludes Shehadeh.
8:24
Sanya Bhutani asks Shehadeh, "Do you believe we will someday arrive at a future that leaves military and religious conflict behind? If so, how are we to achieve such a thing?"
"I think, ultimately, there are two nations living in the historic Palestine - the Israeli nation and the Palestinian nation. And there is no way that one can destroy the other, so the only way is to find a way to coexist and cooperate for the good of everybody," responds Shehadeh.
Shehadeh adds, "It is a tiny piece of land that is not very rich and is dependent on foreign support and might not last forever." He advises that it is better if we stop the conflict that threatens the region and expresses hope, "I think we will do this at one point."
8:25
He recalls hearing young people say that they do not want violence. He says that they were disappointed that Israel did not live up to their promises.
"Israel has succeeded in colonising land, but not in colonising the people. The feeling of being a Palestinian has not decreased, if anything, it has increased," adds Shehadeh.
8:26
8:35
Divya Bhatia asks Shlaim: "How would you say that the youth of today are responding to the role of governments and world leaders in conflicts such as these?"
Shlaim expresses his concerns regarding the contemporary scenario, "I think that the governance is pretty hopeless and has let the people down. If we narrow ourselves to the Middle East, no single government in the Middle East has done well by its people and therefore, I have no hope that the American policy for Israeli colonialism is going to end in the near future. I have no hope that the European Union will change its support for Israel."
8:36
He adds, "The hope is young people, civil society and movements such as BDS (The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement)."
Doyle poses the final question.
"Can war ever be justified, Raja?"
8:40
Can war be ever justified?

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No (100% | 5 votes)
 
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Total Votes: 5
8:42
Shehadeh responds, "I hate wars. But if you think war is defensive, it can be justified. But none of Israel's wars can be justified and none of them are really defensive. War never brings good; it only brings destruction. So I don't think war can be justified. No! And certainly in the case of Palestine, war is not the answer."
8:43
Doyle observes, "I suspect that is probably the case for most of the conflicts that are going on in the Middle East - Syria, Yemen, Libya etc."
8:46
"We have looked at how the Iron Wall Strategy has developed over the years, the manner in which it was adopted by the early Zionist revisionists, the way in which creeping annexation is going forward today - de facto annexation as opposed to the de jure annexation, which is for the time being on hold," Chris Doyle concludes and thanks the audience for tuning in.
8:49
The session draws to a close. Thank you for joining.
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