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AvatarJay Jaffe
3:23
accidentally added a character to the URL, should work now
Mrs Phanatic
3:23
Are you in the view that the numbers are the be all end all for election? Thinking about Jayson Stark’s love for Jimmy Rollins. While he doesn’t have the stats, he was an electrifying player whose story should be Hall worthy.
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:28
see above, and see my Rollins profile (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jaws-and-the-2022-hall-of-fame-ballot-jimm...). The numbers are a large piece of the puzzle and with a player like Rollins, there are certainly some numbers in his favor (such as his 121 HOFM score and traditional counting stats) as well as some against (including his 40.1 JAWS). There are also more subjective considerations that to some eyes enhance his standing — he was a central player on the 2007-11 Phillies, and while I'd put him behind Utley and Hamels (but ahead of Howard), I'm not going to tell you he wasn't an exciting player. I'm happy that he'll stick around the ballot for at least another year but I'm still a ways off from supporting him myself.
comish4lif
3:28
What happened to the push for Doc Adams? Did that evaporate?
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:30
I was surprised that he wasn't on the Early Baseball ballot after being the top finisher on the last Pre-Integration one but I think the Hall was right to emphasize candidates from the Negro Leagues and pre-Negro Leagues Black baseball given how long it's been since those candidates were considered. I hope Adams gets another shot next time.
Grant
3:30
How would you propose overhauling the small committee election process?
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:31
Double or even triple the size of the committees and make anyone who was a teammate, manager, or executive on the same team as a candidate recuse himself from voting on that particular candidacy. And then expand the number of spots on the ballot; 5 for a 10-candidate slate, or 6 for 12, something like that.
Nate
3:31
How do you like Scrivener? Worth the $ for someone who writes a lot?
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:32
love it. for somebody who's not inclined towards organization, it's a godsend because I can find most everything I've written for SI and FG or the Casebook in one fell swoop
3:33
I couldn't have done the Casebook without it
it's $50 (give or take) well spent
Justin B.
3:33
Did you see the article recently about Rawitch wanting to see an election cycle play out before he looks into any changes to the election process. But really, it would be pretty shocking for him to institute any further changes to the BBWAA elections, wouldn't it? Would he also need to run anything by Jane Forbes Clark, if he were so inclined? I'm sort of assuming he was speaking in very general terms and probably didn't really mean anything by it.
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:34
I think that came up within the aforementioned Olney piece. Any changes to the election process would have to go through the Hall Board of Directors first, and I think the BBWAA would have some input as well, though not the final say.
Mark
3:34
Could you make an argument that playersike Cano and A Rod deserve election because of the amazing career numbers they put up despite .issuing so much time due to suspension?
AvatarJay Jaffe
3:35
One could, sure, but one could also argue that those numbers wouldn't have been reachable without the PEDs. It's a double-edged sword.
3:36
ok folks, I have to sign off for today. thanks so much for stopping by — if I'm still upright at this time next week, we'll do it again and discuss the election results
In the meantime, stay warm and safe!
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