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Jay Jaffe FanGraphs Chat - 2/27/24
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AvatarJay Jaffe
2:01
Good afternoon, folks! Welcome to another edition of my Tuesday chats. I have a piece up today illustrating the weakest positions on NL contenders — sort of a preseason Replacement Level Killers list — with a companion AL piece to follow soon. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-weakest-positions-on-national-league-c...
2:02
On Sunday I covered the Cody Bellinger signing https://blogs.fangraphs.com/options-options-cody-bellinger-returns-to-...
and last Friday i took a look at the Mets' rotation in light of the Kodai Senga injury https://blogs.fangraphs.com/with-kodai-senga-injury-mets-rotation-alre...
2:04
With the caveat that I may have to duck out for a few minutes soon when our painter arrives, let's get on with it.
(We had our living room, dining room, and kitchen painted yesterday! Facelift for the whole first floor!)
Idiotic Failson
2:05
Regarding the Yankees still being potentially interested in Snell - I want owners to spend money as much as the average fan and feel that owners too often hoard their team revenue. That said, let's say that the Yankees spend $25mm/year on Snell. That brings their commitment this year to him to close to $60mm and their payroll to close to $400mm. Can they really afford to run $400mm payrolls (necessary or not) regularly? Am I wrong in thinking that signing Snell might actually be unreasonable?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:08
Color me skeptical about the Yankees-Snell link because you're right, their payroll is already on the fourth tier, tax-wise (they're at $306 million) and so the penalties get quite exorbitant. I think they could do it if they thought they were getting a bargain (i.e., low AAV, achievable via a 1 or 2 plus player option deal)
but I don't think it's very likely.
2:09
Snell's value isn't going to get much higher than it is coming off Cy Young #2, so unless he really wants to play for the Yankees— which seems a stretch given his Seattle roots — I think this could be more smoke than substance
Andrew
2:10
Does two more 5+ WAR seasons for Gerrit Cole essentially guarantee him a spot in Cooperstown?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:12
I don't think that would guarantee it by itself but it would certainly get him most of the way there. He doesn't have much (any?) competition from his cohort as far as progress towards Cooperstown, but unless he reaches a milestone like 200 wins or 3,000 strikeouts, it's going to take some adjustment by BBWAA voters to get him to 75%.
Chris A
2:12
Jose DeLeon died this week. What comes to mind when you think of him?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:13
To be clear, this is the first Jose DeLeon (born 1960, https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jose-deleon/1003168/stats?position=P) not the active pitcher José De León (born 1992, https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jose-de-leon/15463/stats?position=P). What I remember most about him is that he always seemed to be wearing the Pirates' "train conductor cap in every photo. RIP
2:14
ok, painter is here, hang tight for a few minutes...
Gashouse Gorilla
2:17
With several free agents remaining unsigned, I wonder if we won't see some of the distortions the CBT created looked at in the next CBA bargaining session--particularly first dollar in over the threshold, draft-pick forfeitures, and escalating penalties for more than one-time "offenders".   I realize the owners like these distortions, but the players must be frustrated--not just at the high end but also middle market
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:20
The thing I think the players have most reason to be frustrated about is the way the expanded playoffs have incentivized so many teams to build for .500 instead of adding the players at that crucial point on the expected wins curve where their odds increase exponentially and instead hope to get lucky, both to get into the playoffs and to go deep (à la last year's Diamondbacks). You can get a bit of a sense of this from looking at the distribution of our playoff odds, which had bearing on what I defined as a contender for the purposes of the article. 23 teams have odds of at least 25%, and 20 teams are in the range of about 79.5 to 85.5 wins! Meanwhile, we've got three premium free agents and a handful of useful ones still unsigned as March approaches.
2:21
So yes, I'm with you, especially on how the middle-market guys must feel right now.
Scrapper
2:21
Have you or anyone else ever written an article regarding what the worst lineup of Hall of Famers would look like?  Including what others saw that elevated them to HOF status, even if those players are not by current standards true HOFers.
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:26
At some point I did a Worst Hall of Famer at Every Position type round up in my Baseball Prospectus days; back then, those were the guys I specifically eliminated from the JAWS calculations because they were such outliers, and as you might expect, several of them were from the Frisch/Terry years of the Veterans Committee. For The Cooperstown Casebook, whose cheeky subtitle is "Who's in the Baseball Hall of Fame, Who Should Be In, and Who Should Pack Their Plaques," I identified the guys who belonged in the "basement," but rather than further pick on them, I tried to take a closer look at just what it was that stood out about them that might have swayed voters.
Mike
2:26
Any chance of Bobby Grich or Lou Whitaker ever making the Hall of Fame?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:28
As I like to say, "never" is a long time, so I wouldn't give up hope. Whitaker is sure to get another shot soon based on his solid showing in his first Era Committee appearance, and as for Grich, who has never appeared on an Era Committee ballot, I'm at least heartened that Susan Slusser, who's on the Historical Overview Committee that builds the ballots, voiced support for Grich (and Whitaker, IIRC) in her ballot explainer.  https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/baseball-hall-fame-b...
Scrapper
2:28
Will the pendulum ever swing back to pitching a team's best players more often?   Seems to me that fans would greatly prefer watching the best pitchers on the mound for more innings and less the parade of middle relievers that we have seen in recent years.
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:31
It is going to take rule changes for that pendulum to swing back — limits on the number of pitchers carried and disincentives to change pitchers — as well as advances in sports medicine. So long as a reliever facing a batter for the first time in a game has the advantage over facing a tiring starter for the third time, that's the way things will tend to turn out. Teams aren't going to unlearn that fundamental lesson just for the sake of what the fans want.
JWR
2:32
Cubs of the late 1960s had four Hall of Famers--Banks, Williams, Santo and Jenkins, but those Cub teams never made it to a World Series, with 1969 being notable in Chicago as being an epic collapse as the Miracle Mets blew by them.  Did any other non-championship teams have four or more Hall of Famers while winning nothing?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:35
I'm sure there must be many, particularly on those Yankees teams in the 1920s and '30s who didn't win the pennant, but here's one that instantly comes to mind: the 1928 Philadelphia A's, who went 98-55 and finished second, had Mickey Cochrane, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb. Al Simmons, Jimmie Foxx and Lefty Grove all playing key roles and mostly performing well, with 41-year-old Eddie Collins serving as a player/coach as well.
Sanford
2:35
Do you think Harper's move to 1B will meaningfully impact his  HOF chances, or has done enough thus far that he just needs to stay healthy and continue to rack up counting stats?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:37
The latter, mostly. Though he has yet to win an actual championship, i think he's sort of like David Ortiz in that fame and postseason highglights are going to cover for the fact that he'll be short in WAR, though i expect he'll have over 500 homers by the time it's all said and done.
JWR
2:38
What do you think would happen if MLB moved the mound back a foot or moved the mound down a foot?  I still think MLB needs to increase balls in play and reduce strikeouts.
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:41
The Atlantic League tried moving the mound back in 2021 and it had relatively little effect on scoring, so the experiment was abandoned after one half-season trial. To me, I think there's a real problem with forcing pitchers trained for years at 60'6" to adjust like that because the inevitable response is going to be THROW HARDER to try to regain that lost velocity, and injury rates will rise. If this is going to be done, I think you'd have to do it 2"-3" a year over a longer period of time to get pitchers safely adjusted to it.
JWR
2:41
What division has your attention right now?  Seems like the NL Central and AL East should both be incredibly tight from top to bottom.
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:44
Those are the two divisions where the favorites have less than a 40% chance of winning the division, and where any one of the top four teams seems to have a reasonable shot. I am very interested in the NL West not because I think anybody is going to challenge the Dodgers so much as I want to see how the Diamondbacks build upon last year and whether the Padres can rebound while building the entire team out of shortstops.
the person who asks the lunch question
2:44
what's for lunch?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:44
I had leftover chicken tinga, an instant pot recipe I pulled off the internet a few years ago https://ministryofcurry.com/chicken-tinga-instant-pot/
2:45
I did it over rice, with a side of pinto beans plus cheese and avocado. I could eat tinga 3x a week and not get tired of it.
Matt
2:45
Hey Jay, great work on the HOF articles and your continued FG coverage! I was curious, if you weren’t a baseball writer, what would you do for a living?
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:47
Thanks, Matt! Before I stumbled into writing about baseball for a living I was a graphic designer working on textbooks and children's books. It's been over a decade and a half since I worked in that field and so I don't think there's any going back. If I had to do something outside of baseball I'd probably look toward some kind of copy writing or editing, since I seem to be able to wrangle words into coherent sentences on most days.
2:49
Let's hope it doesn't come to that because I love what I do and who I get to do it with! Particularly in this increasingly grim media environment I'm grateful to be part of what Jeff Sullivan called this unicorn.
Sonny
2:49
Does the Bellinger deal help GMs dig in deeper in negotiations with the Boras 3? I imagine some FOs will demand similar concessions on Snell & co
AvatarJay Jaffe
2:51
I don't think it's as one-sided as you make it out to be, but I do think that creative deals along the lines of Bellinger's are the most likely way forward. Both sides assume some risk; teams guarantee themselves short-term help while knowing that they could lose a key contributor quickly, while players guarantee themselves a decent floor with another shot at solidifying their credentials toward a bigger payday. Everybody wins in some way.
Jed
2:53
Which of these SS produces the most WAR this year
Zach Neto, Masyn Winn, Ezequiel Tovar?
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RSO
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6:21
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Who does Blake Snell sign with?
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Phil up
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6:30
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What are major league co
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Phil up
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6:31
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parables to Arjun Nimmala.
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Al
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6:37
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Starting to think there actually is no market for Blake Snell.....
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KC Pain
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6:37
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16 team dynasty league with pick 10 in FYPD, I think consenus is Langford/Yama/Crews/Skenes/Jenkins...who would be next 5 to you off board and who would you target at 10 ?
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KC Pain
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6:38
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Is there any last season plus spring training hype you are buying into for any late round rotation guys?
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your Mother
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6:39
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Those are your good pants?!? I'm so embarrassed.
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Scrapper
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6:39
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Devin Hester's recent elevation to the football Hall of Fame makes me wonder where you stand on relievers in the Hall--too many, not enough or just right?
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KC Pain
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6:42
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Taveras, Hays, or Wallner in a 5x5 redraft?
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Matt
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6:43
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Hey Jay,
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fishs
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6:45
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Is Bailey Horn going to make the OD roster?
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Jed
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6:49
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Will Zack Littell be yet another pitcher who moves to Tampa and becomes good?
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Jed
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6:52
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Are either or both Chase Silseth or Griffin Canning viable fantasy starters this year?
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Guest
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6:52
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Taitis(only this year)Manzardo,Jenkins(5years 0 cost when they start in m/l),for Langford/Keith(5 years 0cost when they start m/l).Plus $15 dollar transfer out of a $375 salary cap.
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Joey Caltrain
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6:54
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Both Keaton Winn and Tristan Beck are dealing with injuries. What's the chance that the Giants are already stuck using bullpen games as soon as the season starts?
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12 to 6
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6:55
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lucius/war on drugs/national at forest hills in september, bro.

baseball: other than the prospect value, have the dodgers already moved on from miggy vargas? he wasn't good last year, but is still young - that said, there seems to be no real fit for him on the roster at this point, particularly with kike resigning. yes, he's dodger depth for injuries, but surprised they would move on so quickly even given last season.
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Joe
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6:55
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5x5 NL only last keeper between mclain, kim and suzuki
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Sanford
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6:57
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what's for lunch
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Guest
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7:00
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12 Team, Roto, 5 keepers, 5x5. who to keep ?
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Frank White
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7:00
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If I had hit a World Series walk-off home run, would I have a Hall of Fame plaque?
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Devil Ray Jay Johnson
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7:03
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Which is the worst team in each league that you believe still has a legitimate shot at making the playoffs?
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Cameron Kear
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7:04
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I know it’s still a long ways out but what are the odds of another lockout in 2026?
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Insert Witty Name Here
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7:04
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Pitch clock is getting shortened again, should we worry about some pitchers getting worse?
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Guest
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7:05
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12 team, 5x5, roto, 5 keepers. Who to keep? Castillo 3rd, W.Smith 6th, C,Walker 8th, J.Lowe 9th, N.Jones 9th, R.Lewis 10th. B.Stott, 17th, Eflin 21st, M,King 30th
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seddrah
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7:06
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Hunter Greene or Pablo Lopez?
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Scott Boras
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7:08
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Hey, any chance my clients get signed before opening day?
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Ben Cherington
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7:08
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Why do I refuse to make a single trade with a hint of risk involved, even though my core is now extended and many of my prospects have debuted and my team currently employs 2.5 starting pitchers.
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David
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7:09
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For players that are not signed yet, shouldn't that be a sign to them and their agent(s) that their price tag is too high. You are only worth in the end what teams are willing to offer and if nobody is offering those numbers, you take what you can get???
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Mark
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7:09
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Who are some AL players that you think are poised for a breakout? Any favorites?
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David
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7:10
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What players coming off of injuries are you most concerned about coming into this year?
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Cameron Kear
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7:11
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Do you believe another lockout in 2026 is inevitable?
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nate
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7:11
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Who will be the most likely braves number 5 starter
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nate
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7:12
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Is it likely that hurston Waldrep makes the majors by playoffs
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NOT pitching ninja
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7:12
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Spring has sprung - is it the year of the death ball?
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birds
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7:12
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If Snell/Montgomery are down to pillow contracts with opt-outs, the Orioles have to be in on that, right?  I mean, I know the sale isn't final yet, but come on...
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Adam
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7:13
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Predictions with Brooks Lee and the Minnesota Twins? Who is an MLB player know you think he is most like?
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Guest
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7:13
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Do you think the Nationals have the best farm system in the majors? At least the NL? Maybe it's too topheavy?
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Guest
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7:15
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The best memory of Jose DeLeon is Hawk Harrelson trading Bobby Bonilla for him.
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Sodo Mojo
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7:16
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If Snell was willing to come down on his asking price and years do you think Seattle makes sense given its his hometown.  I know the Seattle rotations is a strength but the depth outside of their top 5 is very thin.
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Grand Admiral Braun
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7:16
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The best memory of Jose DeLeon is Hawk Harrelson trading Bobby Bonilla for him.
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Andrew Painter
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7:16
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I’m not at your house. Must be an imposter
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Bob
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7:21
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Does WAR do a good job of evaluating pitching?  About 25% of IP last year were from pitchers that had a WAR of 0.0 or less which kind of indicates that some of those innings aren't exactly easily replaceable.  And bullpen WARs that add up to 500-600IP usually have an aggregate WAR of a good starter despite 2-3 times the IP and better results.
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Kevin
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7:24
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Wouldn't it make sense for the Hall to re-split the Classic Baseball committee and have it meet half as often (if the goal was keeping the number elected low)? With the pre-expansion AL/NL picked over, it feels like the two primary groups it will consider are so wildly different: expansion-era guys like Allen, Tiant, Grich whose contemporaries can participate in evaluating them, and long-ago pre-Negro Leagues Black players who are better evaluated by historians akin to the 2006 special commission. How can they possibly staff this committee appropriately?
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Andrew Painter
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7:24
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I have read that the biomechanics of submarine pitchers is less stressful on the arm. If it was more common for kids to learn to pitch this way (and there were more people putting in their 10000 hours with this delivery) do you think we would see guys throwing in the low-mid 90s from that arm slot, and how much fun would that be to watch?
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Devil Ray Jay Johnson
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7:25
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It is likely too late to reduce the number of playoff teams.  Is there a tweak to the playoff structure that would incentivize teams to "go for it" more?
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Zach
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7:27
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I know batting position mostly doesn't matter, but do you have any opinion on Ohtani hitting second or third for the Dodgers this year?
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David
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7:27
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Defense needs more respect for the upper echelon players. Andruw Jones as exhibit A for the Hall. Top of the world Defense and solid offense should be hall worthy.
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Cameron Kear
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7:29
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What are the offs of another lockout in 2026?
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Mike
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7:33
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I have no interest in watching most pitchers pitch when they aren't effective, unless those pitchers are pitching to the Twins, then bring on the tired, ineffective guys! So I'm not sure all fans agree with Scrapper. I want to see the best vs the best (at their best) more often. Most teams don't have 2 really good SPs to begin with, there just aren't that many on the planet.
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birds
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7:36
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Whenever MLB expands there's suddenly a bunch of weaker players in the league, and presumably the best players will feast a little.  For a borderline HOF guy, a bunch of expansion would make you that much better than average, help you rack up stats, provide more roster spots to get in the league earlier and stay in it longer.  This something you ever consider?
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Eric
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7:38
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Is the long-term solution for the Mets at 3rd base Brett Baty, Ronny Mauricio, or someone not currently in the organization?
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Guest
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7:38
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I dont know if this is the right pace for this, but I do not have a subscription and am looking to import a live data feed by url into excel. is that something that is possible with a subscription?
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Jake
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7:39
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Your opinion, what was the smartest contract give out this offseason and what was a contract that made you scratch your head?
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Devil Ray Jay Johnson
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7:39
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Regarding the 4 Hall of Famers question, the late 1990s Mariners had Griffey, Randy, Edgar, and A-Rod -- so three current members and one whose on-field performance would have merited first ballot selection except for his off-field jackassery.
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New Guy
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7:39
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Hey Jay, I'm not really familiar with your work.  What type of questions are best for you?  Projections?  Prospects?  Fantasy?
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Don Kelly
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7:41
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Do you think Pete Alonso has watched how “flawed” Boras clients were treated this offseason and is reconsidering his free agent strategy? Thanks.
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Jason
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7:45
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Are you strictly a Mets' fans?  How is it being the fan of a city's second team?  Does it make you hate or resent the Yankees?
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Snell
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7:45
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Do you think MLB will ever have a free agency process that is fun to follow for fans? It's almost March and the reigning NL Cy Young winner still isn't on a team... This league sucks
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Jason
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7:45
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What cities should get the next two expansion teams?
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Jason
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7:46
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What is the number one factor that you look at when a prospect comes up when considering whether a player may someday become a Hall of Famer?
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Guest
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Re: the late '60s Cubs and stacked teams that didn't win, I always think of the late '90s Mariners, who had Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey, Jr., Edgar Martinez, and A-Rod (who isn't in, obviously, but, like Griffey and Johnson, clearly inner circle on performance)
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Cameron Kear
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7:48
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I know it’s a ways away but what are the odds of another lockout in 2026?
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JB
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7:48
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We have at least one and maybe more statistics that are based on league results (as opposed to MLB).  Do we need that anymore with balanced schedules?  Understand that teams still play their division more but shouldn't stats (and awards) just be MLB based now?
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Cameron Kear
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7:49
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I know it’s years away but what do you think the odds of another lockout in 2026 are?
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Jason
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7:52
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Ben Clemens wrote an excellent article today on Fangraphs about how the Rays keep winning despite their relative lack of resources, cash, and fans.  But here is the thing--the Rays don't have fans or notable history or good uniforms or a good ballpark or anything else that makes fans care about that team.  In short, the aesthetics of that team sucks.  Time to bring on the Portland Rays.
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JOHNNYHELLER
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7:53
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Just read your 1b ranking and I wonder why you seem "down" on Arraez. His BA alone makes him better than an $8 guy - add runs scored, RBIs...he strikes me as more valuable than your ranking (no disrespect intended!)
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Dave Roberts
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7:54
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Did I make the right call batting Ohtani ahead of Freeman?
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Guest
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7:54
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One way to get SP to go longer in games is to limit the # of pitchers on the 26 man roster, anywhere between 10 and 12.  This could be evaluated over a 3-5 year period to determine if the limits are producing positive results.  The 26 man roster could also be reduced back to 25 during that same evaluation period.  Would any of those implentations require union approval and do you think these are viable options?
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Idiotic Failson
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7:55
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If the HoF had a wing for the most awesome batting stance/setup, who do you think belongs in it? My first pick is the Gary Sheffield bat waggle.
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Jason
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7:56
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I am a Cubs fan and I love the relatively short term deal for the team...but if Bellinger sucks he will still make 80 million in 2024-2026 and if he is great this year, he will opt out, reducing the value of the deal to the Cubs.  So the Cubs lower their risk but it is very possible that the Cubs end up paying 80 million over three years for a player who only "earns" 40-60 million dollars.
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Smiling Politely
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7:56
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I get Amed Rosario was not good last year, but he's going to make a fraction of what Whit Merrifield and Tim Anderson are, and it's not like Anderson had a good year (and Whit is in his late 30s and will be backup).
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Smiling Politely
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7:57
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Sorry, the question was: am I missing something about Rosario or did his agent maybe not get the best price?
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Cameron
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7:57
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Do you think we get another lockout in 2026?
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Jason
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7:58
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How many games during a season would an average team of Hall of Fame players win against an average MLB team?
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johnnywaffles
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8:01
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Are there any teams more high variance than the Reds this year? Do you think their staff has a chance to be better than, say, 20th?
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Jed
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8:08
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In a dynasty league, which SS would you prefer?  Zach Neto, Masyn Winn, Ezequiel Tovar
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The 6ix
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8:11
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Thinking about both fantasy and real world baseball, at what age do batters and pitchers generally start to decline in performance?
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Sam
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8:16
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Who's your ultimate "I didn't think they were a HOFer when they were playing, but looking back at the numbers, they should be a slam dunk" guy?
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I Fargin hate this place
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8:16
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As a Phillies fan, I like Alec Bohm, but i have a hard time projecting him becoming much better than this, and Matt Chapman is just ... sitting there.  I feel he'd be a meaningful upgrade, but also get the sense it's just not going to happen.  Do you agree?  How would you rank the reasons why it's not happening (Overall payroll; age; worries about defensive decline ...)
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Mike
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8:16
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Health of the game? Get games on tv and streaming so fans can actually watch games (especially in, say, Iowa). Seriously need to get games on streaming so fans can watch them. No blackouts if we pay......
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Mr. Met
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8:18
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Any Chance the Mets could land Tariq Skubal for a package similar to a Vientos, Montes de Oca, Matt Allen Castenada deal?
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Mr. Met
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8:19
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Are the brewers/padres/tigers etc done dealing pitching?
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Edgar scores, Junior scores, they all score
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8:20
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Four sophomore pitchers: Brayan Bello, Bryce Miller, Gavin Wiulliams, Tanner Bibbee. Who's going to have the better year? The better career?
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fishs
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8:20
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Kyle Hendricks calling his own pitches is so cool
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KC Pain
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8:23
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Brenton Doyle has the defensive part down.  Any chance the metrics support him developing a halfway decent bat?
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Andy
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8:29
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Thoughts on Crawford to the Cardinals?
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Tom
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8:30
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Does the recent election of Mauer on the first ballot insure that Buster Posey and Yadier Molina will go in on the first ballot? And what, if anything, does it do for borderline catcher candidates, like Russell Martin and Brian McCann?
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Greg
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8:31
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What do you think odds are of Caminero getting full time ABs by the end of the year? How about Aranda? Lots of good hitters in TB.
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Sanford
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8:33
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How would you describe your baseball watching habits during the season? Jump around on MLB.TV throughout the night or pick 1-2 games that seem the most interesting? Any teams or players you tend to check in on the most?
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Tom
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8:33
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Another team not mentioned on the weakest spots - St. Louis Cardinals … where do you see them this year?
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Matt
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8:39
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What are your thoughts on the back end of the Twins rotation (Paddack, Varland, DeSclafani, or potentially David Festa breakout)?
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Pete Alonso
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8:39
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Where should i start shopping for a house?
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Irrelevant in COL
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8:40
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I miss the days of Gallaraga Bichette Castilla Burks Walker then Helton etc.  It’s a shame for Rockies fans that they haven’t come close to putting together a solid offense in what feels like a long time.  Ah well those were the days. There’s really no light ahead at the end of this tunnel.  How can this franchise be fixed?
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deGrom
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8:41
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is he done being the most dominant SP in MLB (to not use spider tack)
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WookiesRoarForTheMets
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8:44
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Is Steve Cohen capable of sitting back and letting smart baseball people make smart baseball decisions and not let’s say trying to land Correa for no obvious reason?
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Jared
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8:46
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Which player who hasn't broken out yet do you think will break out this season ?!?
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