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Ben Clemens

1:08

like everyone's very happy to cite the projections when it makes their dude look good, you know?

but here's a secret, by ZiPS, I think Colt Emerson should have been in the top 5 in my first run of this

1:09

don't think any of you guys were yelling at me for missing THAT one

ajleff

1:09

How close was AJ Ewing?

Ben Clemens

1:09

probably should have been an HM

another casualty of the timing of this, for sure

like since the day I made my initial list for the first time he has 105 PA and a 137 wRC+

1:10

and I probably anchor too much on the first run, because for most of the players, the stuff that happens between first run and list publication isn't half of their MLB pa

but yeah, consider him an HM, I'd say

I did make an exception to that style for the Miz last year

but only becuase he was such an outlier

1:11

if Ewing was posting a 300 wRC+ instead of 137 I'd have spent more time on him

broeygallo

1:11

Besides Griffin, what other names surprised you in terms of industry feedback being higher than public consensus? Lower?

Ben Clemens

1:11

Chase Burns is the one that most comes to mind

with several people saying they thought it was at least reasonable to have him as the #1 pitcher

not that anyone said he MUST be or anything

I think I mentioned that I thought I was into Burns

1:12

other than that... maybe Colson Montgomery?

1:13

I'm just higher on his power playing despite whiff issues than the people I talked to

I think I noted that in his writeup. Generally speaking I'm above the crowd on him

warpath

1:13

Raleigh was a pretty interesting one to me. For me he's basically in a "distressed asset" tier right now all on his own. How hard is it to tier a guy like him or Gunnar Henderson?

Ben Clemens

1:13

oh yeah, super hard!

the truth is that these lists don't actually exist on the team side

1:14

It's not like I call someone up and they go 'oh let me crack open the vault with our team's personal trade value list on it so we can compare'

it's just not relevant, right? given that you can't actually trade for htem, it's less important to hone your model of where Yordan Alvarez fits vis a vis Elly De La Cruz than to figure out which waiver wire claim to make

1:15

so when I bring up someone like Henderson or Raleigh, I feel like I'm getting slightly less informed takes in general, which makes sense to me

or at least, slightly less actively interested

Baseball Learner

1:16

(not a question but thanks sooo much. The list is awesome, and you being responsive in this chat makes it so much better!)

Ben Clemens

1:16

thanks very much

I'm gonna do a last speed round of answers here and then call it a day

I think I wrote around 25,000 words this week, my fingers are a little tired

1:17

but I want to mention that this is very fun, and I'm glad everyone liked it or at least found some joy in looking through it

Arathorn

1:17

You said a few things that made me wonder about park effects -- do we (in the public space) underestimate them? Overly group them?

Ben Clemens

1:17

i think we in the public, counting me unless I'm trying hard to pay attention, underrate them

particularly really extreme ones

1:18

Seattle and Sacramento should both make me question my evaluation of people more than they do

InsertWittyNameHere

1:18

Is there anything in the next CBA you can think of where it would facilitate more trades?

Ben Clemens

1:18

if you look at other sports leagues, I guess I'd say more trading of draft picks and shorter maximum contract lenghts would do it

I don't even think I hate shorter max contract lengths, though I don't think that would be a compromise that gets through. too much for hte players, not enough for the owners, on that front

oaktownblues

1:19

You acknowledged the fact that the 2024 draft was responsible for 4 of the top 15. In a redraft, do you think they would go in the order they're ranked on this list?

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