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Dan Szymborski

9:11

It's still a comemrcial for me!

Classical music organization is me at my most anal.

9:12

CubsFan

9:12

Its hard. Brewers and Astros were great. Shouldn't punish 2nd best team in NL/4th best team in AL for that @Sean Dolinar.

Sean Dolinar

9:12

You should also talk to the 2015 Pirates (2nd in the MLB).

JimTheCarpetLintGuy

9:12

@CubsFan As a Cardinal fan, I LOVED the WC game this year

DeanAnna

9:12

Hot take: if you got in as the second wild card you have no right to complain about elimination game.

larryv

9:12

sounds like more of an argument against divisions

DeanAnna

9:12

Harold Reynolds is the Soulja Boy of SABRmetrics

CamdenWarehouse

9:12

If the Yankees can cite attendance numbers in Betances's case, then I have to believe other stats could be introduced by agents

Dan Szymborski

9:12

The CBA is specific about legitimate arguments in caes

Sean Dolinar

9:13

Playoff format arguments are always interesting. I think it really depends on what you want to do. As it's setup now with the goals that MLB wanted (have winning the division mean something big), I think this system is working as intended.

Dan Szymborski

9:13

(c) Admissible Statistics. Only publicly available statistics
shall be admissible. For purposes of this provision, publicly
available statistics shall include data available through subscription-only
websites (e.g., Baseball Prospectus). Statistics and data
generated through the use of performance technology, wearable
technology, or “STATCAST”, whether publicly available or not,
shall not be admissible.

9:14

(b) Evidence of the following shall not be admissible:
(i) The financial position of the Player and the Club;
(ii) Press comments, testimonials or similar material bearing
on the performance of either the Player or the Club, except
that recognized annual Player awards for playing excellence
shall not be excluded;
(iii) Offers made by either Player or Club prior to arbitration;
(iv) The cost to the parties of their representatives, attorneys,
etc.;
(v) Salaries in other sports or occupations.

and the recent performance record of the
Club including but not limited to its League standing and atten21
dance as an indication of public acceptance

9:15

Or really, just go to page 21

http://www.mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf

Sheryl Ring

9:15

Yup. But that doesn't mean that wins and IP are the gold standard

Sean Dolinar

9:15

To mitigate the unfairness the the 2018 Cubs, 2015 Pirates and 1993 Giants faced, you'd have to eliminate divisions and leagues.

Sheryl Ring

9:15

Those are just procedural evidentiary rules

JimTheCarpetLintGuy

9:15

Dan, how did you get your job a Fangraphs?

Dan Szymborski

9:15

I discussed it with the owner!

Sheryl Ring

9:15

That we avoid advanced metrics in arbs is just inertia

thequietclam

9:16

Sheryl, does Hicks hit one to the Styx this game?

CamdenWarehouse

9:16

Someone get Jeff to start chatting so he won't make more Martini puns on Twitter

Dystopian Future

9:16

Dan, I'm gonna need a spaghetti update

Dan Szymborski

9:16

I had a cheesesteak today so no spaghetti

Poised

9:16

Will "SP" still exist in 20 years? Or will every pitcher just be "RHP" and "LHP"

Dan Szymborski

9:16

I think they will.

Sheryl Ring

9:16

See, the worst part about language like that in the CBA is that it's used to (incorrectly) say the CBA states what stats you can use.

Dan Szymborski

9:16

There are still godo reasons to want a SP

9:17

I hope I didn't imply that!

I may have accidentally.

LSmithfield

9:17

Carson Cistulli is the Philip Glass of Sabrmetrics

Dan Szymborski

9:17

I mostly just want the win to be killed so that it's not a thing anymore

Sheryl Ring

9:17

Really, it just says what is inadmissible due to reliability (which says a lot about what MLB thinks of Statcast data).

Knoblaublah

9:17

Who is the Salieri of Sabermetrics?

9:17

Dan, what software is that for your music?

Dan Szymborski

9:17

Media Monkey

Sheryl Ring

9:17

Also, publicly available stats includes FB and BP.

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