JotCast | Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 2/1/21

Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 2/1/21

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EbenezerBatflip

2:50

Does Pedroia make it into the Hall? 50+ WAR, gold gloves, RoY, AL MVP, 3 rings, no PEDs or domestic abuse, played the game the right way every single day

Ben Clemens

2:51

So, I think he should

I dunno if he will, voters haven't loved the short-career types

Chase Utley will be a good barometer

Orioles Tragic

2:51

It's obviously small potatoes but thoughts on the Orioles/Angels Cobb for Jahmai Jones trade?

Ben Clemens

2:51

Think it makes sense for both teams, I'm writing it up for tomorrow actually

Appa Yip Yip

2:51

I'm partial to the idea that division winners go straight to the division series, but there's a bunch of wild card teams that go through a quick two round mini playoff with a one game elimination round followed by three game series. Just a meat grinder from which one wild card team per league emerges beat all to hell to face a rested division champion.

Ben Clemens

2:51

Yeah totally fine with this one

This is what I mean by advantages for the best team

Guest

2:52

Goff equivalent: Treat Turner (two years of relatively expensive arb eligibility, like two years of relatively expensive salaries remaining on Stafford's deal) for Xander Bogaerts (expensive long-term contract much like Goff's).

Ben Clemens

2:52

Doesn't work b/c Bogaerts is better than Turner

2:53

Goff is probably a below-average starting QB

Gord

2:53

Soo how big of a nightmare are the next labor agreement meetings gonna be?

Ben Clemens

2:53

Oh yeah it'll be incredibly contentious

I think one of the biggest things here is that the MLBPA has gotten their butts handed to them in the last two CBA's, often without even attempting to extract anything

2:54

The last CBA, they were crowing about the fact that they all got extra seats on the Spring Training buses

So the PA is going to come in with a bunch of asks this time. They've been hiring up and coming up with big substantive plans

2:55

And the owners are going to think, because past experience has borne this out, that they can just browbeat the players into accepting a few trinkets in exchange for accepting the status quo

So the players will ask for a lot, the owners will counter with nothing, and blah blah blah so on so forth

George

2:55

Was there any reason besides money that other teams were not in on that Arenado trade? Feels like a deal that could have been matched/beat by a bunch of teams (DC, LA, ATL)

Ben Clemens

2:55

Supposedly the Rockies flatly told the Dodgers to stop calling them about Arenado, which explains that

2:56

I think that teams are just still equating surplus value to actual value too much

That said, the Nats really do seem willing to spend a lot of money

I will never fault htem that

But they truly do have a bit of a salary crunch upcoming

Guest

2:56

STL has had a first rate infield defense. Adding Arenado must add to that strength. If they resign Wong I am all in on STL pitchers (see Dakota Hudson). Thoughts?

Ben Clemens

2:57

Honestly I don't even think it's necessary to bring back Wong

Tommy Edman can pick it

When they have their max defense lineup in (O'Neill/Bader/Carlson behind Arenado/DeJong/Edman/Goldy) that's probably the best defense in baseball

2:58

The biggest downside from a defensive standpoint in losing Wong was that Edman couldn't play third anymore, and uh, now they have literally Nolan Arenado

Mike

2:58

Were there some trades that the Dodgers burned the Rockies on?

Ben Clemens

2:58

Amusingly, not really

3:00

That said, I get the feeling that the Rockies wouldn't relish having the most popular player in franchise history this side of Todd Helton come back to town so often

Isolated Thinker

3:00

Stafford/Goff analogy: K.Jansen for A.Chapman

Ben Clemens

3:00

Yeah this is a good one

It has the right salary/performance dichotomy

That said, the difference is in magnitude. Closers don't affect your otucome that much compared to QB's

3:01

But still, best one so far

MoKo

3:01

Benintendi and Vazquez for Adell and hector yan; who says no?

Ben Clemens

3:01

Angels, they will want a real starter back if they move Adell

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