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KC
8:10
Take: Molina is one of the most overrated players in baseball.
Ben Clemens
8:10
This is an interesting take.
I think that some people overrate him a lot.
I think that his overall reputation is right around where it should be.
There are some things he gets too much credit for.
Clutchness, game calling (maybe?), mystical ability to calm pitchers.
8:11
But catchers as a genre are underrated, and framing is too, and that counts for a lot.
Now, if you're talking about some yahoo online saying Molina is better than Mike Trout: yeah that is wrong.
Dystopian Future
8:12
Yadier Molina is the current iteration of Derek Jeter. He's good! He's not a messiah or something. He's a great defender. He's a below average hitter. That's it.
Ben Clemens
8:12
Great way of putting it, to be honest.
If you think either of these guys are no-doubt all-time greats, you're probably too high on them.
If you think they're worthy Hall of Famers, you're probably right.
8:13
Molina's is complicated somewhat by the fact that the Hall has historically undervalued catchers, but hopefully he will start to pave the way for a ton of people who deserve to get in.
Dystopian Future
8:13
ANTHONY RENDON JUST SMILED WHAT'S GOING ON HERE
Ben Clemens
8:13
Glitch in the matrix.
Ben Kaspick
8:14
Getting to watch Rendon and Soto on a nightly basis has been a blast.
Ben Clemens
8:15
Juan Soto takes are the best takes.
Ben Kaspick
8:15
I'm still dumbfounded by the 2020 ZiPS projection for Soto, which has him ahead of Trout by wOBA.
Ben Clemens
8:15
Just a casual, not me bragging at all reminder that I somehow got Soto 16th (!!!!!) in the FanGraphs franchise player draft.
8:16
So Ben, if you think that's crazy: Steamer doesn't have Trout in it for the rest of 2019 anymore, due to injury, but it has Soto as the best hitter *right now*
Er, sorry, depth charts
Hail the Lizard King
8:17
Best nickname in baseball, nice start to the night
Ben Clemens
8:17
As we all expected, power pitcher Miles Mikolas with three strikeouts to start the night.
8:18
He's had nine games this year with three or less K's for the whole game.
Derek
8:19
What is average wOBA (or any stat really) on "barrels"?
Ben Clemens
Dystopian Future
8:20
Imagine telling someone in 2017 that Miles Mikolas vs Anibal Sanchez would be a CS game one matchup in two years. I'd like to see their mind explode.
Ben Kaspick
8:20
Can't remember a Game 1 matchup like this one.
Dystopian Future
8:21
This is a real non-sequitur, and I'm going to look into this later, but I wonder if we should consider the quick win-now model of building a franchise officially dead, after the fails of both the Reds and Mets, and the Twins of 2018. I think the best teams are so much better and deeper than they used to be, and you probably can't really build a great team on the fly any more, honestly.
Ben Clemens
8:22
I'm not convinced; the Mets had some severe injury problems, and the Reds had some severe the baseball gods hate them problems, but they were both pretty competitive and easily could have claimed the second Wild Card.
I do think that teams are getting a lot more hesitant to do what they're doing, though, because even if you make the second Wild Card.... then you have to win a weighted coinflip against Max Scherzer just for the privilege of playing the Dodgers.
8:23
It does feel to me like teams are looking at their projection systems and saying "okay there's value in going from 78 to 83 projected wins, we might make the playoffs and fans love that"
But why bother going from 83 to 88
8:25
And that kind of sucks to me as a fan of baseball. I like it more when teams try more.
Jamie G.
8:25
How big a difference is there between Suzuki and Gomes?
Ben Kaspick
8:26
Not much. Glad to see that Suzuki is on the roster though after that scary HBP.
Derek
8:27
I wouldn't call the Twins' team building model a failure... They had 100 wins this year!
Dystopian Future
8:28
By gold gloves, is Ryan Zimmerman seriously the Nats best defender? I love gold gloves. This is hilarious.
Ben Clemens
8:29
Zimmerman was a great fielder when he was a third baseman! From 2005 to 2010 he was worth 60 DRS at third.
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