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Dave Cameron 2017 Trade Value Chat
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Dave Cameron
12:31
Makes it more likely Yankees bid for Sonny Gray, I'd think. A Gray/Alonso package makes perfect sense for them.
2018
12:32
Hate to look ahead to next year's trade value already but who is the biggest dark-horse to jump into the top 50? So someone outside of the obvious next 20-40 guys.
Dave Cameron
12:32
Probably one of the good prospects. Devers could come up and have a Gary Sanchez-esque second half.
Slamboni
12:33
Do the Rangers have a prayer of getting anyone on this list next year? *weeps*
Dave Cameron
12:33
Sure, if they sign Otani.
12:34
If Otani does actually come over this winter and signs the max bonus allowed by the pools, then goes under a standard six year player contract, he might be #1 next year.
Nick
12:34
Did Trout's hand/thumb injury factor into his #2 spot at all? Wariness towards potential offensive drop-off, etc.?
Dave Cameron
12:34
Not really.
ECinDC
12:34
Really surprised to see how high Trea Turne was. I guess I shouldn't have been, but he really is valuable and just real fun to watch. What skills do you see him most likely improving on, and what caliber of player do you see him settling in as?
Dave Cameron
12:35
He's not a free-swinging hacker, so he should start getting more walks eventually. If he can get the strike zone discipline to improve a bit, he's a monster.
Ben H
12:36
Re: comments about skill sets aging; when determining trade value, do you only consider the years under control? Or do you try to look a little beyond, since presumably the controlling team has the best chance of anyone to retain the player?
Dave Cameron
12:36
Yeah, you look at everything. The fact that a team could still maybe be able to sign Correa past his controllable years was a factor in him passing Trout.
Jim
12:37
Has benintendi really been that disappointing? I know you had him in the top 30 but he was the only one in that group that you out-rightly wondered if he'd even make the list next year (not for contract or injury reasons)
Dave Cameron
12:37
I don't think he's been disappointing, necessarily; I just was pointing out that he's not yet a great player (most of the guys around him already are) so it's a future value bet, and that future value will take a hit if he doesn't show more power over the next 12 months.
HappyFunBall
12:38
At the risk of angering legions of ATL fans ... what would you say the chances are that the difference between Good Freddie Freeman and Great Freddie Freeman is mostly whatever mysterious force we're going to ascribe responsibility to for the league wide HR increase?
Dave Cameron
12:38
Higher than ATL fans would want to believe.
Cistulli's Guy
12:38
Without putting too many eggs in this basket, do you think it's a fair shortcut to look at the number of players a team has in the trade value list and use it as a very rough proxy for organizational strength? Any better or worse a shortcut than looking at a Top 100 Prospect list?
Dave Cameron
12:39
It's better than nothing, but there are something close to 1,000 guys floating around big league rosters. Looking at only 50 doesn't tell you enough.
Brett
12:40
How close was Bradley Zimmer making the list after his minor league track record and impressive start?
Dave Cameron
12:40
He was on the big list I sent Dan for ZIPS projections. I'm pretty sure he had the worst five year WAR of those 100 guys.
Yasiel Pig Pug Puig
12:41
Conspicuously absent from this list was another Dodgers outfielder: Yasiel Puig. Is he within shouting distance of the Honorable Mention group?
Dave Cameron
12:41
No.
YKnotDisco?!
12:41
Do you see Houston making a move for Archer?
Dave Cameron
12:41
The Rays are contenders. No real reason to trade Archer right now.
Donnie
12:41
Do you actually believe Noah Syndergaard is the 11th most valuable pitching asset? You ranked him the #1 pitcher mid-season last year, he finished the year leading pitchers in WAR, hurts his lat and is now 11th?
Dave Cameron
12:42
Yeah, I know, a pitcher getting hurt caused his value to fall. How crazy.
ECinDC
12:42
Who pays Scherzer's deferments if he were to be traded?
Dave Cameron
12:43
The acquiring team picks up the salary of the years they are acquiring, but not any money deferred from prior years. So a team trading for Scherzer would be responsible for the $120M he's due the next four years ($105M of which is deferred), but none of the signing bonus that hasn't been paid yet.
mike sixel
12:44
You kept that Simmons tweet all these years?
Dave Cameron
12:44
It's not like I had it in a vault. It's public.
12:45
The fun part is that an editor at Grantland actually emailed me after that and asked me if I'd move the list there. So I'd still do all the work, but they'd get the traffic, instead of my actual employer.
Josh in DC
12:46
It really does seem messed up that the best players in the game are among the worst paid. Is there anything that can be done in the CBA to remedy this? Or does the union prefer to look out for its oldest members, and the owners think they're individually smart enough to dodge the worst Sandovalian free agents?
Dave Cameron
12:46
The owners and union would have to agree to overhaul the system, and generally, people don't like massive changes as long as everyone is getting rich.
12:47
But I do think the game would be better off overall if the allocation of money wasn't so skewed to older players.
Grant
12:47
You said on the podcast that those consuming this seemed to prefer the "sets of 10" rather than "tiers" - Correct?
Dave Cameron
12:47
Yeah. People like ordinal rankings. If i just had "here's the top five, pick any of them", people would just want to know how I'd order them if I had to.
Bill
12:48
How close did Amed Rosario come to making the Top 50?
Dave Cameron
12:48
Not that close. He was in the mix of prospects considered, but not clearly ahead of any of the Devers/Guerrero/Torres types.
JTT
12:48
Mookie Betts was a cistulli guy also. So was Blackmon but he isn't on your list
Dave Cameron
12:49
Mookie was a Cistulli guy, but he also became a legit prospect before he got to the bigs.
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