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Will

10:25

Cano has a shot? Most people talk about him as a lock.

Paul Swydan

10:26

Most people? How many people you know talking about Robinson Cano's HoF chances?

He's 34 and has 51 career WAR. Feel like he needs to keep it up. Whitaker barely got a sniff and he has 68.1 WAR.

10:27

Hopefully the electorate will be more enlightened in 10+ years when Cano comes up, but you never know.

Will

10:27

Also did you just list Betts as an obvious call?

Paul Swydan

10:27

I did.

Wanna fight about it?

Morris Buttermaker

10:27

Re cano hof: they left out jeff kent.

apples

10:27

kimbral seems en route as any reliever

Paul Swydan

10:27

No reliever has an easy route. Lot of analysts today don't even believe RPs should be HoFers, full stop.

hscer

10:28

I remember after 2010 when Zim was like 26 and definitely had serious HOF chances...now he needs to hit .330 for like 5 years to have any shot...glad for his revival though

Paul Swydan

10:28

RE: Mookie, he's going to be at 20+ WAR by the end of his age-24 season.

Pitching

10:29

Who would u want Vargas or Manaea for the second half?

Paul Swydan

10:29

Manaea

Oddball Herrera

10:29

Is Yankee helium a thing for HOF voting? Doesn't seem to help Mussina, but Posada got more votes than he should've and it might help Cano over Whitaker

Paul Swydan

10:29

Not anymore, but it used to be.

10:30

Back when NY had 3 teams a disproportionate number of voters were from NY.

Mookie will be just the 52nd player to top 20 WAR by the end of age-24. Pretty good company. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&...

John

10:31

Is Moncada gonna be the next Buxton in terms of hitting ability or do you think he'll become a star?

Paul Swydan

10:31

It's tough to peg anyone as the next Buxton hitting-wise.

Will

10:31

You actually think the % chance Betts gets into the HOF as of right now is higher than that of Cano? And Posey gets an aging-caveat but not Betts, who has a ton of value tied up in defense? I'm sorry that seems a bit bizarre.

Paul Swydan

10:32

Posey is at 36 WAR at age 30, and catchers can and often do decline quickly.

Betts is a speed and defense guy, and those players generally age very well.

10:33

Mookie already has half the WAR Posey does, but he's six years younger. Sorry you find it bizarre, but it isn't.

Will

10:33

Posada got more votes than he should've? He fell off the ballot...

Paul Swydan

10:33

I never saw Posada as a HoFer when he was playing.

Big Joey

10:33

Have we seen Lindor's peak season? Pretty bummed about this first half

Paul Swydan

10:33

No, he'll get better.

banana

10:34

cano averages ~105 hits over the final six years of his contracts he gonna get 3k... not guaranteed but decent odds at a good HOF #

Paul Swydan

10:34

Assuming he is healthy and plays those seasons, sure. I think he has a good chance, I just don't think he's a lock.

Cano

10:34

Re Cano:David Schoenfield wrote an article today ranking the "star" factor of each all star.For Cano,who he ranked 24th, he wrote "The future Hall of Famer toils in obscurity these days, but still puts up big numbers." So clearly some people think Cano is a no brainer for the hof.

Paul Swydan

10:34

Dave is also a Mariners fan.

Mike

10:35

Posey has been so much better than other catchers for years, won 3 ws and lost a year of his prime to a famous injury. I think he's get the high peak fame treatment even if he declines rapidly.

Paul Swydan

10:35

He will have a great argument for that, yes.

Rick

10:35

Idea to make the game more intense/competitive: put a million dollars on the line, winning team gets to pick the charity of their choice that gets it. Yay or nay?

Paul Swydan

10:35

Need to make it $10 million.

For some of these guys, $1 million isn't a big deal.

Oddball Herrera

10:36

Posada had the fourth worst mark of all time for fielding value for catchers, and yes, Piazza was down there too but he was a top three all time hitter at the position. Don't think there was a good case for the guy

Paul Swydan

10:36

Agreed. But I also don't see his extra votes -- if they were extra -- as a result of Yankees bias. Call it winning bias.

10:37

Ugh, I remember that 08 game. None of that tonight please!

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