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Ben Clemens

10:12

Totally agreed. Yordan and Framber are two of my favorite players in baseball

Luke Hooper

10:12

Plus Dusty raises the likability factor, a lot.

Ben Clemens

10:12

I'm against the organization, but for plenty of people within it

Dan Szymborski

10:13

Like do we hate the pitchers? The Braves were the only team to enter the World Series with a 2017 Houston pitcher on their roster

Chuck

10:13

I’ve always been pretty skeptical about how cut and dry the tv strike zone makes things seem. Kevin Goldstein said something similar in a chat I think. Plus the Atlantic League experiment (which I think MLB was involved with). And removing the element of the game with arguing balls and strikes. Idk. How much entertainment are you willing to sacrifice in the name of efficiency? What industry is this after all? I’m not some old timer, those were the days kind of guy, but I do wonder how far is too far for from the central purpose and appeal of the game (source of income too).Just curious about how others feel.

Ben Clemens

10:13

Chuck, I'm totally with you

Guest

10:13

Yankees in the early 2000s were more dislikeable; not only was that the height of the big-spending "Evil Empire," they also had a slew of steroid users like ARod, Giambi, and Sheffield.

Joe

10:13

I barely remember the early 90s Phillies but they were apparently awful

Ben Clemens

10:14

I like the probabilistic strike zone, and the TV zone is not great sometimes. The TV zone is not what they'd actually use, of course, but I just like an ump-driven zone

The Stranger

10:14

I can't get worked up about cheating. I'm not at all convinced that a bunch of other teams weren't doing some variation of the same thing.

Hugh Duffy

10:15

The pitchers weren't the ones banging trash cans, Dan.

Dan Szymborski

10:15

But they shared culpability

Chatz

10:15

Y’all just never lived through Eric Gregg or what?

Ben Clemens

10:15

There just aren't umpires that bad anymore

Luke Hooper

10:15

Fasted guy on the team, at it again!

Ben Clemens

10:16

If they were that bad, sure. But the grading system has helped a ton

Tony Snell

10:16

Oh no Smoltz has been set off on Pitcher Usage Talk

Catherine

10:16

Taking out a pitcher throwing a no hitter is worst case scenario for bringing in grumpy Smoltz right?

10:16

overall, did the automated-zone experiments done this year point to a success or failure of the system?

Ben Clemens

10:16

Like a Magic 8 Ball, they pointed to 'ask again later'

They're definitely not ready for prime time yet but the progress has been good

Joe

10:17

Taking out a pitcher on less than 80 odd pitches make morbo something something something

Morbo

10:18

I'm pro electronic strike zone but there should be like 30 different ones that are all slightly different in how the ball strike probability is weighted in various parts of the zone. The zone should be chosen at random by a computer before every game. I like the different shaped zones that umpires have. I dislike lack of consistency. Basically I want a reliable strike zone not necessarily a valid strike zone, within reason.

Chatz

10:18

This is pretty, pretty, pretty bad:

Umpire: Chris Conroy
Final: Astros 2, Braves 6
#ForTheH // #ForTheA
#HOUvsATL // #ATLvsHOU

Hugh Duffy

10:18

And Mike Fiers has my respect for blowing it all open. But all four starting infielders on the Astros were part of the sign stealing.

Dan Szymborski

10:18

I don't even give Fiers that much credit for it

egm

10:18

I’m fine with just kind of irrationally foisting all the blame for 2017 on Correa, Bregman, and Altuve. They were the “leaders” of the clubhouse I assume

Dan Szymborski

10:19

He was happy to warn his teammates for a year and nobody else and gain advantage for his team

Morbo

10:19

MORBO IS ANGRY BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY PULLED THE PITCHER. MORE BLERNS ARE NEEDED!

Hugh Duffy

10:19

If he hadn't gone public, MLB would have done nothing.

Russ

10:20

Will there be any game chats on here for games 4 or 5?

Hugh Duffy

10:20

Oakland told the Commissioner's Office and complained, but until Fiers went to Sports Illustrated MLB was going to do nothing.

Ben Clemens

10:20

There will not be, but if there's a Game 7, this same crew (give or take me, but probably I'll join) will be back

Dan Szymborski

10:21

Yeah, but he didn't know that ahead of time when he kept it to himself. It may have been *helpful* but he doesn't come out smelling like roses wither

always confused

10:22

WE NEED PEARLS

Ben Clemens

10:22

I don't quite understand why Soler is in over Joc

Russ

10:22

Unfortunate. These are always a delight. Where else can I get an instant response about inside righty on righty changeups mid game?

Dan Szymborski

10:22

Twitter?

The Stranger

10:23

I'm kind of rooting for Minter to get shelled here as karmic retribution for pulling Anderson in the middle of a no-hitter

Ben Clemens

10:23

If you root for him to get shelled, you're rooting for Smoltz

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