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Front Office Chat: 12/1/23
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Anthony Franco
4:42
Still dramatically. Dominguez/Peraza could be a workable framework for Cease alone, but Robert is probably a top 10 trade asset in MLB
4:43
I don't think the Sox are trading Robert at all, and I certainly can't imagine they're doing it in the same trade as Cease. If they did, you're probably looking at more than the Padres gave up to get Soto from Washington
Rangers13
4:43
If you are CY does Jimenez from the White Sox in a trade or Belt/Duvall in FA make more sense for  the Rangers to acquire for their DH?
Anthony Franco
4:44
Still think they should just bring Garver back, but between the choices you've presented, give me Belt and a Robbie Grossman style platoon partner
A high-quality stopgap feels fine there. Wyatt Langford's not far away
John B
4:45
Greg Johnson has stated several times that the Giants will not exceed the luxury tax. That being the case it would seem to make no sense for them to pursue Ohtani. That would eat almost all their budget and one player...no matter how great...is not going to make them a legit contender in that division. They could sign Yamamoto and Bellinger or Chapman for what it would cost to sign Ohtani.
Anthony Franco
4:46
Addressed the Ohtani vs. a package deal in general terms earlier in the chat, but I agree that for the Giants specifically, I'd rather have Yamamoto and Bellinger if I knew I could get them both
4:47
Of course, they very likely will not know that by the time they have to submit a final bid on Ohtani. Good chance he signs within the next week and Bellinger and Yamamoto wait to play the teams that didn't get him off one another
paul k
4:48
Looking at th Cherios deal and thinking about the "real value". He is 19 years old and $80MM is guaranteed. Now instead of doing the deal, he could have been on MLB minimums
To finish my Chourio question ; when we value the deal, can we value that he now has a lot more money upfront to invest at a say a modest 5% p.a. (very modest). This is vs. what he might make on the MLB minimums plus arbitration, assiming he gets to that.
Anthony Franco
4:49
Not sure I completely understand the question, but I agree with what I believe is the point you're making -- that up-front money is more valuable than further off earnings because of inflation
Rangers13
4:49
Burnes obviously would, but would Bieber or Cease either one be an upgrade over Dunning or Heaney in the starting rotation for the Rangers?
Anthony Franco
4:50
I would take either Bieber or Cease over Dunning/Heaney in a vacuum. I think the gap on Bieber compared to those guys is fairly small, though, which gets at the point that teams other than Texas will probably be more motivated to make that trade
Jeremy
4:51
Is Ohtani the biggest FA in North American sports history? Only other comparision in my mind is Lebrons "The Decision" year
Anthony Franco
4:52
With my rudimentary basketball knowledge, LeBron would be my pick. He's a top two player of all-time in a sport where one individual player has such an outsized effect on a team's outlook because you can always make sure that star player has the ball in the final seconds
4:53
Great as Ohtani is, there are still a lot of games where you're down by a run in the ninth and his spot in the batting order is five or six hitters away
Josh
4:53
Follow up, can Westburg plus a couple fringe guys be enough for Burnes?
Anthony Franco
4:53
Depends on the secondary pieces but I think Milwaukee aims a little higher
Guest
4:54
What will the Angels do to try to be competitive?  It looks bleak….again
Anthony Franco
4:54
Trying to retain Ohtani is still the main goal. If he walks, they could spread money around on players like Snell, Teoscar and Robert Stephenson
4:56
It'd be a little more balanced roster than they've had, but that's still a fringe contender at best. Always feels like they're chasing short-term wins when they're just a little too far away to make it worthwhile
4:57
Which I thought was a perfectly reasonable play when you had Ohtani on a closing window of club control, even though it didn't work. If they keep operating like that if Ohtani leaves, it's just bad process
Dallas Robinson
4:57
What would the Reds have to give up to get Shane Bieber?
Anthony Franco
5:00
An Edwin Arroyo or Cam Collier type seems like a reasonable starting point for one year on Bieber, especially with uncertainty about his shoulder. Shouldn't be a top-of-the-system guy
Adam
5:00
What is Clase's trade value?
Jeff
5:00
Any thoughts on if Cleveland actually trades Clase?
Anthony Franco
5:01
Tricky guy to value. As Steve was writing that post this morning, we were trying to identify any kind of precedent for a reliever that good with this kind of cheap club control getting traded and didn't have a great example
5:04
It's a lot, though. He's making middle reliever money for the next three years and has two affordable club options after that. He's better than guys like Reynaldo López, Jordan Hicks and Joe Jiménez who are going for 3-4 years at something around $10MM annually in free agency
5:05
Steve suggested in this morning's post that the Guards could get multiple Top 100 prospects. I don't know that it would be out there but I also think it's a reasonable ask since they have no urgency to trade him if they're not completely blown away
Dallas
5:05
What if the Padres are using Soto as a smoke screen and really end up trading another player, Tatis or Manny?
Anthony Franco
5:06
Finding a taker for one year of Soto is way easier than offloading a decade-long contract on those other guys
Max
5:06
What team is Soto playing for in ‘25?
Anthony Franco
5:07
I'll take the Yankees (boring pick, I'm aware) but wrote about 2000 words on this question on Wednesday
Whoops, read this as '24
5:08
Yankees would be my pick for the likeliest trade. Here's that post I referenced
5:09
Predicting who'll sign him as a free agent is basically impossible since so much can change in the next 12 months, but I guess I'll take the Cubs for now?
Jeddy Bear
5:09
If you were Jed Hoyer and the prospect capital asking price was the same for each, would you trade for Bieber or Glasnow and why?
Anthony Franco
5:10
I think Glasnow is the significantly better pitcher at this stage of their careers and would happily take on the extra $12-13MM to get him instead
Alright I have to wrap things up here
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