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Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 12/12/22

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Ryan

2:45

What is Liberatore worth? Seems like the latest trade offers from the Birds, the other teams have gone around him asking for Graceffo, McGreevy, Hence or others. Concerning or just a fluke?

Ben Clemens

2:45

I would say it's neither

I don't think a good way of thinking about how players are developing is to see what teams are offering for them in trade

2:46

It's rumors, it's different teams' pitching plans, and it's very much a hypothetical market

What concerns me about Liberatore is that he didn't look very good in 2022

Big Fan

2:46

Is it just me, or could you justify starting the season with Vaughn Grissom as far down as back in Double-A? He was amazing for his first 14 games but probably has things to work on and adjustments to make.

Ben Clemens

2:49

Yeah, wouldn't shock me. I'm not a big believer, to be honest

Played great but generally not in a way that makes me believe

Sorry, had to run and grab a snack there

Alex

2:49

What about a 3 team trade... Giants get Donaldson and Alek Thomas. Dbacks get Peraza. Yankees save money in tax for Rodon? Maybe some minor pieces involved too.

Ben Clemens

2:49

So the Giants just.... get Alek Thomas for basically nothing?

This is not gonna happen, haha

2:50

The Donaldson contract is not that onerous

And the tax doesn't matter that much

Guest

2:50

Do you have any kind of rough guess as to how much of the Mets payroll will be covered by operating income, as opposed to actually coming out of Steve Cohen's bank accounts? Is the team profitable, and is it profitable by enough to cover the increased expenditure? How much does the anticipated success of the team make up for the increase in payroll? Talk finance to me!

Ben Clemens

2:50

Legit no idea, also legitimately don't care

2:51

They do just fine, SNY made a mint, team values are to the moon, and a year of operating income is just not something I'm gonna care too much about

2:52

I'm also not really sure the Mets themselves know what operating income will be next year

Brooklyngail

2:52

Feels like the Braves have looked at their analytics and decided, “Hey, we like Dansby. A whole lot. But he’s not a $20M-plus guy. Just isn’t.”

Ben Clemens

2:52

I mean..... maybe!

Or maybe he just wants to sign in January

2:53

Or maybe he wants to move away from home, or maybe the Braves are after Correa

It's ironic b/c this is my job, but I think free agency would be much more fun if we all just took a month off from caring about the ins and outs

O’stradamus

2:53

Would a trade between the O’s and marlins centering around MLB ready talent be a logical move for both teams? Would Rogers to the O’s for Santander and westburg be reasonable for both sides?

Ben Clemens

2:54

I don't think the Marlins make that trade, and generally I don't see many major leaguer for major leaguer trades happening between teams, like those, with plenty of holes

It's one thing if you're a team that has few holes and so is moving surplus for something you need, but that isn't what's going on here

2:55

The Marlins still need more pitching! Every team needs more pitching. And the O's need players all over the place

2:56

Those trades make much more sense to me when they unblock something

That's not happening on either side here

Kiermaier's Piercing Green Eyes

2:56

Apparently the league was ready to veto SD's 14-year $400MM offer to Aaron Judge. Am I wrong that this sniffs of salary suppression by the league? Is it really so objectively wrong for a team to be willing to buy out Judge's early 40s that it must be payroll shenanigans?

Ben Clemens

2:56

I don't really buy that rumor

I saw it reported

Dan

2:57

I agree that home grown stars are the best and wish there was a bonus pool for resigning with your team but if every team kept nearly all their players the stagnation would get boring. That said if a rich popular team is the one pushing the roster churn over a poor team that probably better for the sport right?

Ben Clemens

2:57

Yeah, probably right

2:58

There's definitely a balance between everyone stsaying and no one staying

2:58

Oakland's Sean Murphy package demand (Nootbaar, Donovan, Graceffo) for Tatis, who says no?

Ben Clemens

2:58

The Padres

HOW ABOUT SOME NOOTY PROJECTIONS

2:58