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Felix Comic Art Chat (1/17/22)
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Philip B.
3:44
I wonder what the Silver Surfer #4 cover would go for.
Roman Roy
3:44
Becoming an artist who works entirely Digital has it's pro's and con's. Work faster, get more projects done, get paid more in the process of publishing...all pro's. No art to sell is the downside.
Felix Lu
3:45
@Roman...100% agree. The book should come first. Tail should not wag dog. BUT...if artist decides to go that route, then they have forfeited the original art market. "Monoprints" is wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. Pick one or the other. My opinion.
Nick Barrucci
3:45
That is disappointing when that happens Mike, that is for certain, and unfair to the fans.
John Butler
3:45
Yes @Nick, but will it break 3.3MM. Probably not. And by all rights, it should given that result.
Joe F
3:45
@Gene - on the sportscards front, I've been asked to appraise a condo locker that sustained water damage. The insurer sent a photo, the case he opened was an '86 Fleer Basketball. I may manage the salvage after claim payout, that's a heck of a lot of Jordans coming to market. Yeah, sportscards are an interesting barometer, but the common thread it shares with this outlier sale is that it reeks of new money that may not understand nuances, i.e. first appearances, sees the alien symbiote, not realizing there's two covers that money could have had that are sequentially superior. The sportcards countepart argument is the way population numbers don't seem to scare these guys any, not even if 100 Jordan 10's show up tomorrow, they'll still keep overpaying
Taylor G
3:45
Someone mentioned DAO, I assume everybody is aware of the Spice DAO tweet that has got a lot of WTF reaction.  Are we going to start seeing these kinds of shenanigans in the OA market?
Mike Perlman
3:46
@felix but it is not the original used to create the printed page. That does not make a difference to you?
Felix Lu
3:46
@Mike...ah OK. We've done that too, with Nick Dragotta and EAST OF WEST. In fact, we were the first. But we disclosed it. Shame on artists and reps who don't.
Guest
3:46
I’m with Gene, we are going to have four — at least — Fed hikes this year and the world is going to deal with declining risk premiums for the first time in more than a decade
Timothy Guerrero
3:46
@Heidjer Staecker I thought that the Mark Hempel Sandman page went very low as it featured Morpheus
Philip B.
3:46
It’d be interesting to see if someone arbitrages all the top end monoprints from popular books while prices are low.
Nick Barrucci
3:46
Felix, I think that what he's saying is artists who draw an entire book digitally, and then if they have the right offers for the pages, they draw them again later, even if they print them out and ink them later, and that is disappointing that there are a few artists that do this
Felix Lu
3:47
@Nick...OK with it if IF it's disclosed.
Kelsey S
3:47
@mike I bought such an instance however I knew up front what I was getting into
Brian K. Vaughan
3:47
I thought it was exciting that even my elderly parents had heard about the Secret Wars sale. But their first question was how much money the artist(s) of the page would get, and then I was less excited. A reminder to buy directly from creators (or their trusty reps!) whenever possible.
Felix Lu
3:47
@BKV...thank you!
Mike Perlman
3:47
@nick That is what I meant.
Nick Barrucci
3:48
that's the problem Felix, some artists are not disclosing it.  You find out after the fact because they've told people they do that
Jason Wood
3:48
I have zero issues with inked blue lines if they’re one of a kind. Much preferable to APs or NFTs
Felix Lu
3:48
@Jason, me too, of course. Even if it was done after the fact, I'll still prefer to monoprints.
Nick Barrucci
3:48
I was burned after the fact.  It sucks when it happens.
Gene Park
3:48
I don't know if the FF #48 cover hits $3 million if it came to auction (obviously we're talking about the real one, and not the fake that popped up a couple years ago).  That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hulk #181 topped $5 million in this market environment.

Word was going around 2-3 years ago that it could move privately around $2-2.5 million, which people thought was nuts then, but, with the Jim Lee X-Men #1 sale at around $2.5M and now this Zeck sale at $3.3M...who would take the under on $5M now?  Not me...
Mike Perlman
3:48
@Felix I agree. Many are not disclosing this is what they are doing.
@jason What is to stop the artist from doing the same page this way multiple times? Just lo
Jason Wood
3:48
That interest rate comment was mine, I forgot to put my name in the field before. But I’m with @gene
Tom Franck
3:48
@Felix  do you have any upcoming tours w artists in the near future?  Sorry I missed DWJ in LA!
Felix Lu
3:49
@Tom...YES! Just talked to an artist today. All pending any new horrible variants popping up, but otherwise, some very exciting stuff planned for fans!!
Mike Perlman
3:49
@jason just like mono prints
Chuck Arnold
3:49
I think part of the value is that what you're buying is the art that was used in the production of the comic, something drawn after the fact seems odd to me
Jason Wood
3:50
@mike nothing other than accountability. It’s a risk but the OA market is small and incestuous.
Ron Lim
3:50
@gene Hulk 181 at $5 million sounds completely reasonable.
Rob Rusch
3:50
Assuming 2.5-2.7 is right for X-Men #1, it seems like a steal now after the 3.36m sw8 page
Jason M.
3:50
I think some of my favorite pieces I have I only got because people balk at inked blue lines. I'm not complaining.
John Butler
3:50
Interesting @Gene. We need another biggie at auction to pressure test this result. Crazy outlier, or a new reality.
Will K
3:50
@Gene "Zeck sale"  ha-ha..  not a fan but it doesn't even look like Zeck's work.
Fabrice Stroun
3:51
From afar, the comic original art still seems relatively healthy to me, despite the crazy prices, in that, with few exceptions, what is considered important art by people who know the field intimately, gets higher prices. At least there is a conversation between historical and artistic value on the one hand, and monetary value on the other. In other fields of collectable assets, it’s now a given that connoisseurship and auction results are unrelated, ie, that fashion and hype trumps scholarship.
Felix Lu
3:52
@Fabrice...I wish I saw it the same way as you...but to me, what you describe relates to OA, as well. Connoisseurship doesn't really matter so much anymore.
Nick Barrucci
3:52
I heard that the X-Men #1 was $3Million
Joe F
3:52
Hulk 181 at $5M sounds like a deal after this...
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Jason Wood
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11:47
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I’m with Gene, we are going to have four — at least — Fed hikes this year and the world is going to deal with declining risk premiums for the first time in more than a decade
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