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ScottW

10:41

Gunnar v. Elly: Does potential for Gunnar's draft pick comp for top 2 ROY voting come into play?

Ben Clemens

10:41

Eh, small potatoes but sure

10:41

I'm surprised Nico Hoerner did not get any consideration. He is very cheap for the next 3 years and while the ceiling is low, the floor is a solidly above average 2nd baseman who can play an above average short too.

Ben Clemens

10:41

Had someone external mention him, again, if there were more HM slots

10:42

Andres Gimenez coming off 6 win season and elite defense gives him high floor...Under contract for a very reasonable amount and already turned it around offensively after slow start this year.

Ben Clemens

10:42

Mmmmm, I think I need a little more

10:43

If he's closer to who he is this year, the deal is not that much of a bargain

like if he's a 3-3.5 WAR player, nice

but he's making a lot of money to do that and for a while

for people who aren't GREAT

the money matters more

imo

just b/c the extra wins that great players are great by outstrip their extra salary

Theo be Praised

10:43

Fangraphs used to do a Negative Trade Value series, basically a review of the worst contracts in baseball. Can we bring that back?

Ben Clemens

10:44

Nah, I just don't see the point

section 34

10:44

How many players on the list would their teams trade straight up for Jackson Holliday?

Ben Clemens

10:45

I'll give just a general answer to Jackson Holliday questeions, which is that this list has never been about not-yet-debuted players with the rare exception of Wander when he was just in the minors obliterating things. I threw a prospect name on there to point out that hey top prospects are obviously trade chips too but I don't want to spend this list of major league players writing about minor leaguers

You can swap Holliday for Wood if you want and I wouldn't really care

10:46

but there's a reason there was exatly one, at 50, and that I wrote that it was a marker for the fact that top prospects are good and also not very interesting to read about in something like this

Lacking Creativity

10:46

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think I saw Aaron Judge's name listed anywhere (including in the honorable mention section). Not that I necessarily disagree at all, but I am curious to hear your thought process with that one. I figured he could have possibly graced the "Great Players With Big Contracts" portion.

Ben Clemens

10:46

Just injury risk basically

10:47

like, his deal is obviously not a huge bargain

or someone would have offered him a lot more money

Not that that excludes him, players can out-earn big deals

but between how recently it was signed and the injury risk, eh, I didn't feel like I needed to throw him on there

10:48

my chatting is gonna slow down while I get ready to head to the airport, but i'll keep up a reasonable clip

Atlynkhtr

10:52

can you provide any context for the Braves having 5 top 15 values (six of the top 31), I mean other than yeah it’s really good to be the Braves?

Ben Clemens

10:53

The Braves' strategy of offering good young players a ton of money early in their career is great

Also, their ability to draft and develop great young players, and give them the opportunity in the majors if they deserve it, is the best in baseball

Theo be Praised

10:54

Explain Justin Steele. Why can't anyone square up his fastball?

Ben Clemens

10:54

I truly cannot, and I feel like that gives me more pause than it should

10:55

Cutter-primary guys who can command it often end up great. But the road to effectiveness seems narrow for whatever reason

Guest

10:55

Not to double up on Yankees omitted from the list, but Gerrit Cole also not being mentioned anywhere in the list despite being in the middle of another top 3 CY year.

Ben Clemens

10:56

Yeah he's great. Honestly these chats make me want to not have an HM section because there are plenty of good players and coming up with an exact ranking and deciding where to cut it off sounds exhausting

10:57

One thing that I think is under appreciated is that there are just so many baseball players

chone

10:58

This isnt meant as a dig but do you find something... rote about it at this point? Oh here's a list of the players who are cost controlled do to MLB"s dumb salary structure. News at 11

Ben Clemens

10:58

Oh 100%

I try to bring a slightly different perspective to it, like I treat it as who I'd be trying to acquire if I were a gm, but yeah, shocker, it's the great 22 year olds

10:59

I do think the blurbs on Elly and Tatis reflect my viewpoint on this well

Ellys median projection is lower than the players around him but I think he has right-way volatility

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