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Trade Value Series Chat - 7/29/22

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Ben Clemens

12:33

That trade just wouldn't happen today

Dirt Grub

12:33

How big of a boost in value is it for a guy to be at a premium position such as SS or CF as opposed to 2B or a corner OF spot?

Ben Clemens

12:33

It's contextual, I'd say

like, if you're a really big bat, I think it matters less

12:34

b/c it's fine, you're gonna play in the lineup

it still matters obviously, particulalry if you have standout defense there

12:35

but as your bat gets worse and worse, it matters more and more

Appa Yip Yip

12:35

Back in June I asked you where you'd rank Kirk on this list and you, off the cuff tbf, said fringe 50/honourable mention

Ben Clemens

12:35

Yup, and not only did I underrate what his projections would look like, but people I talked to were REALLY high on him too

Appa Yip Yip

12:36

Back in June I asked you where you'd rank Kirk and you, off the cuff tbf, said fringe 50/honourable mention. He obviously came in much higher. Was that more because you dug into the numbers yourself, or because people you talked to kept telling you to move him higher?

Ben Clemens

12:36

Ah, sorry, cut off your question

It was both! Also his continued performance in that month didn't hurt

Dan

12:36

Who is going to move the most in the hypothetical future where you redo this list in November?

Ben Clemens

12:37

Michael Harris II and Nico Hoerner are both going to get special 201 and 202 out of 50 spots to annoy people

Cliff Hanger

12:37

"If you’re just looking for the best player in baseball Ohtani’s your guy (he’s actually second in my book, but we’ll get to the other guy later)"

well, who is it?

Ben Clemens

12:38

Soto, and Dan's projections think so too

Chris

12:38

Jordan Walker should be top 5

Ben Clemens

12:38

so, I'm stealing this from one of my favorite Cards analysts, Kyle Reis (@kyler416 on Twitter, fun follow and kinda wild)

12:39

20 year old Jordan Walker through 353 PA in AA: .300/.388/.480, 11.3% BB, 22.4% K, 8 bombs

20yo Dylan Carlson through 352 PA in AA: .287/.369/.515, 10.8% BB, 19%k, 13 bombs

12:40

Carlson has beaten the median expectation since then

by being an above-average major league hitter quickly

and he's an unpopular addition to the top 50

so uh.... let's just all breathe

Ronnie the Rat

12:40

Could actual trades that happen over the next week make you rethink some of these rankings or would you chalk that up to one side getting the better of the other?

Ben Clemens

12:40

No, it'd make me rethink them for sure

Maybe I'd land in the same place at the end of it, I dunno

12:41

But it didn't feel GREAT when Madrigal got moved for Kimbrel, even if I think the Sox paid too much in that trade

Afraid of Curses

12:41

Shouldn't Ohtani be #1?

Ben Clemens

12:41

I don't think so, obviously, but he was not exactly easy to place

He's without comparison

Bill

12:41

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Soto will be the best player in baseball? I have a hard time seeing the case for hin being the best today based soley on what has already happened.

Ben Clemens

12:43

There's a good question here about true talent best vs. this year's production the best.

What I mean by 'best player in baseball' is if I had to pick a player, starting tomorrow and ending this year, to be on my team, who would I take

and I mean, I'd take Soto

Carl

12:43

Anything in particular about Brandon Woodruff that left him out of the honorable mentions? Has a year of team control more than Urias, and seems like he'd fit right in among the other HMs in Buehler, Lopez and Nola.

Ben Clemens

12:44

There was one very major factor that led to me leaving Woodruff off the honorable mentions

That factor is that he's in the top 50