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Trade Value Series Chat - 7/29/22

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Harding

12:45

People who might actually get traded on the list: Soto and Murphy and... nobody?

Ben Clemens

12:46

Yeah, that sounds right. Let's see... Carlson could be in a Soto deal, though it's unlikely. Bryan Reynolds mayyyyyyybe. Ohtani, they're at least having discussions. Bieber is extremely unlikely but the Guardians have said they're open to moving controllable pitching

Matt

12:46

Any thoughts on the fact the Phillies are the only contender with no one in the top 50? Does this point to their issues developing in house talent?

Ben Clemens

12:47

Yankees, too

TooDamnTall

12:47

Not a question, just wanted to say thanks for such an enjoyable series. Clearly a lot of work went into it.

Ben Clemens

12:47

Thank you very much!

It is indeed a lot of work. I had a beer or two last night after submitting the last chunk of it

Joe

12:47

I'm new here; will there be a least valuable trade list?

Ben Clemens

12:47

There will absolutely not be

Harding

12:48

In the past we've sometimes seen an elite reliever like Chapman or Miller return a major prospect from a team pushing all in. Do you think those days are past, or those trades were outliers even then?

Ben Clemens

12:48

Never say never, but I think it's less likely now

TooDamnTall

12:48

Is it surprising that there seems to be so much variance from FO people you contacted about the rankings?

Ben Clemens

12:48

Not to me

There's no central database of everyone's true talent that we all draw from

Fantasy vs Real Life

12:49

Should Daulton Varsho be on this list? He's certainly on the Fantasy list but seems like he should be on the real life one too...

Ben Clemens

12:49

I had him as an honorable mention, he was on the back end of the list at one point

12:50

I dunno, I'd value him more highly if he had a bit more of a carrying tool anywhere. Maybe he's just a good enough CF that his defense is his carrying tool, but I'm not excited about the bat, and not overly so about his glove until he picks a position

Great fantasy player though obv

RTJ

12:51

Patrick Corban consensus #1 on Least Valuable Trade List I assume

Ben Clemens

12:51

Buddy, let me tell you about Stephen Strasburg

Bill

12:51

Soto is awesome, I'm not gonna deny that. But it seems there are some things he's struggling through right now. (His batting line is a little low for him, his defense is really bad.) I think he'll recover, and if we were picking players for the rest of their careers then he's a great pick. But it seems odd to overlook his current struggles and say he's a better player today than someone like Ohtani.

Ben Clemens

12:51

But if you trade for someone, you're getting the future

Nate

12:51

Yea, I have to piggyback on the gratitude as well here...I'm sure that list is a b to try and put together. But it's always good fun to read and debate

Ben Clemens

12:51

Thanks again

12:52

I swear I'm not just picking all the nice comments but it really is a bear of an article to put together

Lists are dumb, in my opinion, but everyone loves them (me included)

Scotty

12:52

Is this the most controversial series/article Fangraphs publishes?

Ben Clemens

12:52

Hmm.... the top 100 prospect list is definitely up there

That one is funnier b/c it's from fewer people, but people with strong opinions about prospects have VERY strong opinions

Steven

12:53

Where would the top prospect in baseball fit in? BTV seems to have it around #25.

Ben Clemens

12:53

Depends who it is, it changes by year

We had Adley 24th last year for example

But this year I'm not in love with anyone. Riley Greene is 48th so there you go

Bill

12:53

But I thought you defined best player as now until the end of the year?

Ben Clemens

12:54

Yeah, I think Soto is still a better bet

like, his numbers are down this year, but I still think the underlying skills to be the best are there and could pop up tomorrow

Mike

12:54

On a list like this, I would think there should be a little less variance from year to year. I mean, Rodriguez went from HM to #4 in one year...and some people say he should be #1. I know you did this with KG last year, but where would you have put Rodriguez if you were doing this by yourself last year?

Ben Clemens

12:54

why should there be less variance?

Particularly among prospects

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